RE: OT - Terry Childs, CCIE#14018

>He should consider the opportunity and seek mental health

He will get daily counseling from Los Norteanos and EME in Corcoran at the showers.... Trust me... Arrogant white guys often get what's coming to them in Cal State Prison.

LOL

-----Original Message-----
From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Sorin Platon
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 3:39 PM
To: Rohit Ghodke; Paul Cosgrove; Carlos G Mendioroz; Lloyd J. Rochon III; Garth Bryden; Jack Router; Adrian Brayton; Cisco certification
Subject: Re: OT - Terry Childs, CCIE#14018

That was very one sided

Nothing can excuse the fact that he didn't give the passwords when asked to.

Classical asshole that thinks he's always right and everybody else has
no knowledge

He should consider the opportunity and seek mental health

On 8/10/10, Rohit Ghodke <rohit.nw_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.infoworld.com/print/37286
> http://www.infoworld.com/d/adventures-in-it/why-san-franciscos-network-admin-went-rogue-286?page=0,0
>
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Paul Cosgrove <
> paul.cosgrove.groupstudy_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Carlos,
>>
>> You may have been a little quick to assume my opinion there, despite my
>> not
>> expressing any. Like yourself I have read about the case, and also
>> discussed technical aspects of it with a person who knew the details
>> (their
>> company was called in to help). My post was mainly about a general
>> approach
>> to security incidents, and the aspects related to this specific case are
>> consistent with what I was told.
>>
>> I've never met Terry Childs and keep an open mind about his personality
>> and
>> motivation since, like yourself, I only have second hand information about
>> him.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Carlos G Mendioroz <tron_at_huapi.ba.ar>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Just courious, have you read about this before this post ?
>> > I read an article a long time ago about him (IEEE spectrum, if
>> > I remember it correctly), where he was characterized as an over jealous
>> > engineer that would not let non qualified people
>> > access the net to keep it working.
>> > There are always many sides to the stories, and I'm amazed at how fast
>> > people take positions (polarize ?) w/o much info...
>> >
>> > -Carlos
>> >
>> > Paul Cosgrove @ 8/08/2010 9:27 -0300 dixit:
>> > > If you are maliciously locked out of devices, your response is likely
>> to
>> > be
>> > > proportional to your level of paranoia about what else the perpetrator
>> > may
>> > > have done to complicate your life. My understanding is that the saved
>> > state
>> > > of the devices was unclear, and there were unusual changes made beside
>> > > modifying passwords which, whether it was intended or not, hampered
>> > > the
>> > > initial evaluation and added to concerns that there might be other
>> > > surprises.
>> > >
>> > > If you believe there is a risk someone has turned your production
>> network
>> > > into a troubleshooting lab, but the system is operational and does not
>> > > appear to be deteriorating, then you will probably start by assessing
>> the
>> > > state using safe techniques. You will also have to formulate a
>> > > recovery
>> > > plan, including plenty of 'what if's?' to cater for unknowns.
>> Reloading
>> > > devices could result in the config being cleared, so you would need to
>> > > determine what the impact to the network will be if that occurs and
>> > prepare
>> > > for that. Planning for the worst, you might include provisions incase
>> > > malicious changes have been made on the alternative paths, and they
>> only
>> > > become visible when traffic shifts (etc.). Was a high profile event,
>> > > so
>> > any
>> > > mistakes may also have been high profile.
>> > >
>> > > They were treading very carefully, which took time and money.
>> > >
>> > > Paul.
>> > >
>> > > On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 4:49 AM, Lloyd J. Rochon III
>> > > <lrochon_at_sbcglobal.net>wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Agreed but I was just going off their urgency and lack of apparent
>> > >> technical knowledge. I think they were in panic mode and spare no
>> > expense
>> > >> mode.
>> > >>
>> > >> Regards,
>> > >>
>> > >> Lloyd Rochon
>> > >> Lloyd J. Rochon III
>> > >>
>> > >> -----Original Message-----
>> > >> From: Garth Bryden <hacked.the.planet.on.28.8k.dialup_at_gmail.com>
>> > >> Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 11:29:46
>> > >> To: <lrochon_at_sbcglobal.net>
>> > >> Cc: Jack Router<pan.router_at_gmail.com>; Adrian Brayton<
>> > abrayton_at_gmail.com>;
>> > >> Cisco certification<ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>> > >> Subject: Re: OT - Terry Childs, CCIE#14018
>> > >>
>> > >> Well I've read (but not had the courage to test) that if you press
>> > control
>> > >> break when you are booting with password recovery disabled you can
>> > >> get
>> > into
>> > >> the device, just with factory defaults.... I guess if there were no
>> > >> passwords there woulda been no backup configurations which meant long
>> > >> nights
>> > >> and lots of coffee restoring network services; whoopie
>> > >>
>> > >> On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Lloyd J. Rochon III
>> > >> <lrochon_at_sbcglobal.net>wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>> It also could have been the "no service password-recovery" command
>> > >>> on
>> > key
>> > >>> devices which caused costly replacements.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Regards,
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Lloyd Rochon - CCIE
>> > >>> Lloyd J. Rochon III
>> > >>>
>> > >>> -----Original Message-----
>> > >>> From: Garth Bryden <hacked.the.planet.on.28.8k.dialup_at_gmail.com>
>> > >>> Sender: nobody_at_groupstudy.com
>> > >>> Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 11:09:18
>> > >>> To: Jack Router<pan.router_at_gmail.com>
>> > >>> Reply-To: Garth Bryden <hacked.the.planet.on.28.8k.dialup_at_gmail.com>
>> > >>> Cc: Adrian Brayton<abrayton_at_gmail.com>; Cisco certification<
>> > >>> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>> > >>> Subject: Re: OT - Terry Childs, CCIE#14018
>> > >>>
>> > >>> The $900,000 would be over the top but the costs they are
>> > >>> calculating
>> I
>> > >>> assume won't be just for the password recovery process. Remember
>> there
>> > is
>> > >>> downtime involved to do this, they are most likely claiming
>> > compensation
>> > >>> for
>> > >>> lost revenue etc.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Jack Router <pan.router_at_gmail.com>
>> > >> wrote:
>> > >>>> How can you spend $900000 in 12 days ? Its 75K a day !!!! Did they
>> > hire
>> > >>> 31
>> > >>>> CCIEs full time for 12 days, assuming 300$/hour wage ? Obviously
>> Terry
>> > >>> was
>> > >>>> right saying his boss was not qualified to have a password.
>> > >>>> BTW, how do you get a job like Terry's boss ? What qualifications
>> are
>> > >>>> required ?
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> -----Original Message-----
>> > >>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
>> Behalf
>> > >> Of
>> > >>>> Adrian Brayton
>> > >>>> Sent: 7-Aug-10 13:59
>> > >>>> To: Cisco certification
>> > >>>> Subject: OT - Terry Childs, CCIE#14018
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>
>> >
>> http://www.businessweek.com/idg/2010-08-07/network-admin-terry-childs-gets-4
>> > >>>> -year-sentence.html
>> > >>>>
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