Re: Question CCIELab

Oskar,

You see this is why we have different vendors, this is why i keep saying the
philosophy is very different between the vendors. One recommends this and
another vendor recommends something totally different.

If you are in the lab and you have to look up for help in the following
areas:
Cat QoS, IPv6, BGP, Multicast, IPv6 Multicast.
Mate you are NOT READY, this is why we have people failing it few times. I
still say what ever you used was NOT complete.
My students tell me that if you have to go to DOC CD for more than few
times, you will run out of time.

But for areas like IP Services where they can throw the kitchen sink, hey
you might go there once or twice.

Throughout 3 CCIEs i probably went there once or twice, because i was ready.
For example, If you have done your home work for CatQOS properly, and you
still don't understand the question, DOC CD will not be a help. You are
probably trying to resolve a tricky problem and we all know that DOC CD will
NOT be a help when it comes to tricky problems. To understand the tricky
questions, you need to understand the topic, if you memorized the commands
for a given topic, you will NOT be able to resolve the tricky questions.
Your base is where you are lacking.

But then again, this is my philosophy and this is what i tell my students
and they all kinda agree. But as far as graded mock labs, they are waste of
time and money, i have always said that and always will. They teach you
nothing, they don't tell you if you are ready either, they don't do anything
but put money in the vendor's pocket.
They only tell you that you were weak in certain areas *within that test*.
And what if you checked the DOC CD and answered few of the questions and
scored 80 percent, would you say that you are ready?

Your study plan and material should be complete and thorough enough so you
don't have to worry about DOC CD especially when it comes to core topics.
I am sorry but i am NOT here to tell you what you like to hear, i am here to
tell you the way it is (The truth) you may like it or you may chose to
ignore it, it is totally up to you.
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 8:42 AM, Asif Gul Khan <nockhi_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> I totally agre with Anthony here, doc cd is a must!
>
> I believe referencing doc cd effectively is also the part of lab and
> an objective of ccie lab and wat cisco had in mind while desigining
> ccie lab, else whats the point of providing doc cd access during the
> lab if one has to cram everything, though again it shud not be used
> for basic tasks lyk igp n all.... If Cisco want to create their
> representatives everywhere than they certainly wud want them to know
> the documention of there products n problems that they might face in
> real life!
>
> Just my 2 cents.
>
> On 6/16/10, Anthony Sequeira <asequeira_at_ine.com> wrote:
> > I do not like the statement of absolutes when guiding someone through
> this
> > lab. Therefore, statements like "if you use it more than twice, and use
> it
> > outside the scope of IP Services, you are not ready" I completely
> disagree
> > with. In fact, I presume it is statements like this that actually lead
> many
> > to recommend avoiding Group Study completely a month or so prior to their
> > exam.
> >
> > Just like the statement - "Graded mock labs are a waste of time and
> money" I
> > also find completely incorrect for some individuals. The purpose of a
> graded
> > mock lab is not to teach technologies and the Cisco 360 program certainly
> > agrees with me. But I suppose this is for another thread.
> >
> > So here is the deal in my opinion...
> >
> > Use of the DOC-CD is another aspect of exam preparation and strategy that
> > becomes rather personal. One candidate may prepare and pass with very
> little
> > utilization of it, but for another candidate, the DOC-CD is absolutely
> > critical.
> >
> > One thing I think everyone would agree with here is the fact that overuse
> > (over reliance) on the DOC-CD can definitely be an indication that one is
> > not ready. For example, if you are relying on the documentation to
> configure
> > any variation of a router protocol's authentication, it is pretty clear
> that
> > you have not practiced with your core IGP protocols nearly enough.
> >
> > But for other areas, referencing the DOC-CD quickly and efficiently in
> the
> > lab is certainly fine and dandy. Cat QoS, IPv6, BGP, Multicast, IPv6
> > Multicast, IP Services are all areas that jump out at me where we may
> need
> > to quickly reference a configuration guide or command reference during
> the
> > heat of battle.
> >
> > I have lots of free resources available to assist with this topic
> (videos,
> > blogs, interactive exercises), let me know if you need links.
> >
> > Enjoy your prep Oskar!
> >
> >
> > On Jun 16, 2010, at 7:41 AM, Oskar wrote:
> >
> >> I am seeing different opinions about DOC CD coming from gurus:
> >>
> >> One is that if you need to look more than once then you are not ready.
> If
> >> that is the case why I would waste my time mastering DOC CD if after all
> >> it is for only one question on the lab ? Should I rather google and
> learn
> >> quickly rather than spend hours looking for info on DOC CD ?
> >>
> >> Other opinion is that no one can pass without consulting DOC CD and then
> >> mastering it is essential.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----
> >> From: Anthony Sequeira <asequeira_at_ine.com>
> >> To: sunil kumar maryala <sunil.maryala_at_gmail.com>
> >> Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> >> Sent: Tue, June 15, 2010 1:54:12 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Question CCIELab
> >>
> >> Yes indeed.
> >>
> >> But please keep this in mind, you have absolutely no time to fumble
> >> looking something up during the TS section. This new section has once
> >> again reminded us that we need to truly master navigation and use of the
> >> DOC-CD if we are to use it in our strategy.
> >>
> >> I mention "if we are to use it" in our strategy since there are the very
> >> rare individuals out there that will breeze through Version 4 without
> ever
> >> once consulting the documentation.
> >>
> >> Warmest Regards,
> >>
> >> Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626
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> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >> On Jun 15, 2010, at 1:40 PM, sunil kumar maryala wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I have a question on CCIE RSv4 Lab.
> >>>
> >>> Do we have access to DocCD during the Troubleshooting Section?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks and Regards,
> >>> Sunil
> >>>
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