RE: Written Exam and troubleshooting

I guess I would invite you, being with the 360 program, to talk with the
CCIE team and find out more as to why they feel it helps in this regard. I
am not going to debate a statement that comes from the program themselves.
Sounds like there needs to be a little more communication between the 360
program and the CCIE team ;).

Regards,
 
Tyson Scott - CCIE #13513 R&S, Security, and SP
Managing Partner / Sr. Instructor - IPexpert, Inc.
Mailto: tscott_at_ipexpert.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Kambiz Agahian [mailto:kagahian_at_ccbootcamp.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 7:18 PM
To: Tyson Scott; Ernest McCaleb
Cc: Travis Niedens; abrayton_at_gmail.com; john.lockie_at_gmail.com;
charles.t.alexander_at_verizon.net; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: Written Exam and troubleshooting

You can spend your BW on the second guess :)

HTH

--------------------------
Kambiz Agahian
CCIE (R&S), CCSI, WAASSE, RSSSE
Technical Instructor
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-----Original Message-----
From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Tyson Scott
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 3:07 PM
To: Kambiz Agahian; 'Ernest McCaleb'
Cc: 'Travis Niedens'; abrayton_at_gmail.com; john.lockie_at_gmail.com;
charles.t.alexander_at_verizon.net; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: Written Exam and troubleshooting

This is really a question? Are you trying to qualify the word stop from
Ernest or are you saying that troubleshooting doesn't help to deter
cheating? Now I am curious.

Regards,

Tyson Scott - CCIE #13513 R&S, Security, and SP

Managing Partner / Sr. Instructor - IPexpert, Inc.

Mailto: <mailto:tscott_at_ipexpert.com> tscott_at_ipexpert.com

From: Kambiz Agahian [mailto:kagahian_at_ccbootcamp.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 5:49 PM
To: Ernest McCaleb; Tyson Scott
Cc: Travis Niedens; abrayton_at_gmail.com; john.lockie_at_gmail.com;
charles.t.alexander_at_verizon.net; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: Written Exam and troubleshooting

I'm out of this discussion but just out of curiosity; how would that
stop
cheating?

--------------------------

Kambiz Agahian

CCIE (R&S), CCSI, WAASSE, RSSSE

Technical Instructor

CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP)

Email: kagahian_at_ccbootcamp.com

Toll Free: 877-654-2243

International: +1-702-968-5100

Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call

FAX: +1-702-446-8012

YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!

Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com

From: Ernest McCaleb [mailto:emccaleb_at_gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 2:42 PM
To: Tyson Scott
Cc: Travis Niedens; abrayton_at_gmail.com; Kambiz Agahian;
john.lockie_at_gmail.com; charles.t.alexander_at_verizon.net;
ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: Written Exam and troubleshooting

Troubleshooting has been on the lab in one way or another since the
2day.
Perhaps Adrian was unaware of that. I too believe it was to stop the
cheaters.

Ernest

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Tyson Scott <tscott_at_ipexpert.com>
wrote:

Travis/Adrian,

Don't take it too personally between each other. I don't think either
of
you wanted it to be an argument.

Adrian used to be a support engineer here at IPexpert. Often when he
would
get the most basic questions I would say "See you could study for your
CCIE
too." Well... here we are... and he is doing it.

I also used to work for Cisco in advanced services, and often high end
engineers would be hung up on the most basic tasks when troubleshooting
came
into play. So... yes... too many, attempting to achieve the CCIE and
sometimes even CCIE's, lack the skill of good solid troubleshooting.
Don't
take offense. I don't think it is intended that way, nor is it
specifically
pointed towards you. But it is a fact and it helps everyone in
understanding a part of the reason it was put on the lab exam. The
second
reason is it is really hard to cheat on troubleshooting tasks if you are
not
familiar with the technologies. At least this is my 2 cents on
troubleshooting.

Jack,

If you feel that you are just memorizing the troubleshooting tasks that
came
with the vendors workbook you are working on then it may be a good idea
to
focus more on configuration for the time and then get a few other vendor
workbooks for troubleshooting. I know most of the vendors should have
some
good troubleshooting labs by this time.

Regards,

Tyson Scott - CCIE #13513 R&S, Security, and SP
Managing Partner / Sr. Instructor - IPexpert, Inc.
Mailto: tscott_at_ipexpert.com

-----Original Message-----
From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of

Travis Niedens
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 5:12 PM
To: abrayton_at_gmail.com
Cc: kagahian_at_ccbootcamp.com; john.lockie_at_gmail.com;
charles.t.alexander_at_verizon.net; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com

Subject: RE: Written Exam and troubleshooting

It has nothing to do with insecurity but rather the fact that you are
being
absolutely rude for no reason. Did I slander the group of CCIEs on here
?
No,
you did. Did I claim to know why Cisco added troubleshooting back in?
No,
you
did. If you recall they did used to have troubleshooting on the 2 Day
format
however it was a different format.

So, what's your ccie number?

Travis

> Subject: Re: Written Exam and troubleshooting
> From: abrayton_at_gmail.com
> Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 16:47:56 -0400
> CC: kagahian_at_ccbootcamp.com; john.lockie_at_gmail.com;
charles.t.alexander_at_verizon.net; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> To: niedentj_at_hotmail.com
>
> I was expecting a few insecure individual's to write something like
you
have.
> I meant it 100% and I didn't say every CCIE on here, I said MOST! I
also
> didn't say it as a bad thing, just something that most lacked. Just
because
> someone has a CCIE number, by no means doe's that indicate that
individual
has
> any skill in troubleshooting?
>
> Do you really think that Cisco brought back the Troubleshooting
portion
just
> because they didn't have anything better to do? Please with all of
your
> infinite wisdom, enlighten us on why you think they invested all that
money
to
> bring back the troubleshooting portion of the lab!
>
>
>
> On May 25, 2010, at 3:45 PM, Travis Niedens wrote:
>
> > "most of the ccies on this list don't have the skills needed to be
good
at
> troubleshooting" ..... Did you seriously just send that out and
actually
mean
> it? Have you personally evaluated the troubleshooting skills of every
ccie
on
> here? Who are you to evaluate even? Did Cisco give you this great
nugget
of
> knowledge and you just couldn't help but sharing it with us? A very
lame
> comment indeed. what's your ccie #? Travis
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Adrian Brayton
> > Sent: 5/25/2010 7:30:58 PM
> > To: Kambiz Agahian
> > Cc: John Lockie , Charles T. Alexander , ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: Written Exam and troubleshooting
> > A decent book is "Troubleshooting IP Routing Protocols", you can
find it
on
> E-Bay...
> >
> > Just remember that troubleshooting is not something that you can
just
read
> and be done with it... Its a methodology in how you approach things!
Most
of
> the CCIE's on this list don't have the skill's needed to be good at
> troubleshooting thus the reason that Cisco brought it back to the lab.
You
> wont get the skill from just working on labs either as I had thought,
you
need
> to practice it just as you would any other topic on the lab.
> >
> > As I had said before, it might only be 25% of the lab but it's 50%
of
the
> exam!
> >
> > Good Luck!
> >
> >
> > On May 25, 2010, at 2:50 PM, Kambiz Agahian wrote:
> >
> > > Charles,
> > >
> > > Believe it or not but I see a great chance of success for the
students
> > > with failed written attempts on their lab exams! Why? Because
you're
> > > truly doing your best, taking the test and what you've got is
exactly
> > > what you ran for. Now you know your weaknesses "truly". Frankly,
That's
> > > why you see all those folks with the written 1000/1000 and stuck
on
> > > their 5th lab attempt. You're not going to be one of them.
> > >
> > > Please don't feel discouraged; you're on the right track mate.
> > >
> > > We do have a written workbook with heaps of questions - that may
help;
> > > you might wish to give it a shot but anyway you're now building
your
lab
> > > foundation and not just wasting your time - not a problem.
> > >
> > > HTH
> > >
> > > --------------------------
> > > Kambiz Agahian
> > > CCIE (R&S), CCSI, WAASSE, RSSSE
> > > Technical Instructor
> > > CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP)
> > > Email: kagahian_at_ccbootcamp.com
> > > Toll Free: 877-654-2243
> > > International: +1-702-968-5100
> > > Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call
> > > FAX: +1-702-446-8012
> > > YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
> > > Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
Behalf
Of
> > > John Lockie
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 11:34 AM
> > > To: Charles T. Alexander; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: Re: Written Exam and troubleshooting
> > >
> > > Another argument for doing lab prep only, and then taking the
written
> > > only
> > > when you are ready for the lab (or feel ready) :-)
> > >
> > > Regarding books, this probably depends on what you are looking to
> > > troubleshoot!
> > >
> > >
> > > On 5/25/10 11:20 AM, "Charles T. Alexander"
> > > <charles.t.alexander_at_verizon.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I failed the written exam. I have read all the usual books such
as
> > > Odom.
> > >> The exam really has a lot more troubleshooing, or at least that
is my
> > >> take on it. Is there a good book(s) on this?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
Received on Tue May 25 2010 - 19:26:20 ART