Re: OSPF SHAM-LINK

I'm not blaming Joe. I would never blame someone who spends his time
helping others, for free by the way.
I'm just raising my concern about a conduct that in my opinion is
getting more and more common.

We all come to GS for answers. We all can benefit from them. Going
unicast mode in GS serves no one, or does it ?

-Carlos

Abiola Jewoola @ 3/04/2010 13:17 -0300 dixit:
> I do not understand what the problem is Carlos,
>
> Do not blame Joe for anything. I chose to send the mail to him alone
> since he was the only one that promptly replied to my mail bearing the
> urgency of the problem i was facing at that time.
>
> Regards,
> Abiola
>
> --- On *Sat, 4/3/10, Joe Astorino /<jastorino_at_ipexpert.com>/* wrote:
>
>
> From: Joe Astorino <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com>
> Subject: Re: OSPF SHAM-LINK
> To: "Carlos G Mendioroz" <tron_at_huapi.ba.ar>
> Cc: "Jeferson Guardia" <jefersonf_at_gmail.com>, "Bryan Bartik"
> <bbartik_at_ipexpert.com>, "Abiola Jewoola" <biola_y2k_at_yahoo.com>,
> "Ahmed Ejaz" <aahmedejaz_at_gmail.com>, "CCIE Groupstudy"
> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> Date: Saturday, April 3, 2010, 5:49 AM
>
> I agree with you Carlos. The reason it went off-list in the first
> place is because the proper details were not given. When I asked for
> them I was unicasted and we just continued along the way.
>
> On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Carlos G Mendioroz <tron_at_huapi.ba.ar
> </mc/compose?to=tron_at_huapi.ba.ar>> wrote:
> > Not particular for this one case, but solving problems that are
> exposed
> > to the list and not sharing the solution seems not a polite
> behaviour IMHO.
> >
> > It is my experience that people are cought by the same issues once and
> > again, and it is enlightening to read those experiences, and learn
> from
> > the whole thing.
> >
> > I've read many times directions to use the list search capabilities.
> > This is useless if the end of the story is not there...
> >
> > -Carlos
> >
> > Joe Astorino @ 3/04/2010 5:39 -0300 dixit:
> >> That is always a good thing : ) glad I could make somebody's day
> a bit more exciting hehe
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> >>
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> >>
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> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Jeferson Guardia <jefersonf_at_gmail.com
> </mc/compose?to=jefersonf_at_gmail.com>>
> >> Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 13:45:31
> >> To: Joe Astorino<jastorino_at_ipexpert.com
> </mc/compose?to=jastorino_at_ipexpert.com>>
> >> Cc: Bryan Bartik<bbartik_at_ipexpert.com
> </mc/compose?to=bbartik_at_ipexpert.com>>; Abiola
> Jewoola<biola_y2k_at_yahoo.com </mc/compose?to=biola_y2k_at_yahoo.com>>;
> Ahmed Ejaz<aahmedejaz_at_gmail.com
> </mc/compose?to=aahmedejaz_at_gmail.com>>; <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> </mc/compose?to=ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>>
> >> Subject: Re: OSPF SHAM-LINK
> >>
> >> Joe,
> >>
> >> I was next to Abiola (the same room) when you were working with
> him, when
> >> he did what you suggested and worked,
> >> he was clapping and celebrating very loud, well done mate! :)
> >>
> >>
> >> 2010/4/3 Joe Astorino <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com
> </mc/compose?to=jastorino_at_ipexpert.com>>
> >>
> >>> I am pretty sure this is resolved -- Abiola and I took it off
> list and
> >>> got into the specific diagram / topology. Correct me if I'm wrong
> >>> Abiola.
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Bryan Bartik
> <bbartik_at_ipexpert.com </mc/compose?to=bbartik_at_ipexpert.com>>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> Abiola,
> >>>>
> >>>> Can you diagram what you have? Perhaps there is something else
> wrong.
> >>> When
> >>>> you shut the backdoor link down, does the route become
> accessible over
> >>> the
> >>>> mpls vpn link?
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 7:24 AM, Abiola Jewoola
> <biola_y2k_at_yahoo.com </mc/compose?to=biola_y2k_at_yahoo.com>>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>> The whole idea is to make the sham-link preferable.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The existing design is the the sites are in different ospf areas .
> >>>>>
> >>>>> like u said, if the ospf routes from both the mpls link and
> ospf are
> >>>>> coming
> >>>>> as IA we can tweak the cost.
> >>>>> That has been done and the routes still prefers to go via the
> ospf link
> >>>>> even
> >>>>> after a very high cost.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --- On Tue, 3/30/10, Joe Astorino <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com
> </mc/compose?to=jastorino_at_ipexpert.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> From: Joe Astorino <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com
> </mc/compose?to=jastorino_at_ipexpert.com>>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: OSPF SHAM-LINK
> >>>>> To: "Abiola Jewoola" <biola_y2k_at_yahoo.com
> </mc/compose?to=biola_y2k_at_yahoo.com>>
> >>>>> Cc: "Ahmed Ejaz" <aahmedejaz_at_gmail.com
> </mc/compose?to=aahmedejaz_at_gmail.com>>, ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> </mc/compose?to=ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> >>>>> Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 3:09 AM
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Abiola,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> To summarize here -- If you have site 1 and site 2 linked up
> via MPLS
> >>> and
> >>>>> also
> >>>>> via a backdoor link and both sites are in different areas then
> there is
> >>> no
> >>>>> need to use a sham link in the first place. Both the backdoor
> and mpls
> >>>>> routes
> >>>>> will be O IA and you can simply tweak cost.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Now, if you have site 1 and site 2 and they are both in the
> same area
> >>> then
> >>>>> you
> >>>>> have a problem because the mpls learned routes will still show
> up as O
> >>> IA
> >>>>> at
> >>>>> best, and the backdoor link will always be preferred. If you
> are saying
> >>>>> that
> >>>>> you have separate sites here then forget about the sham link
> and lets
> >>>>> focus on
> >>>>> manipulating the OSPF cost to get things to route the way
> you'd like.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 5:46 AM, Joe Astorino
> <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com </mc/compose?to=jastorino_at_ipexpert.com>>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Make both CE sites the same OSPF area
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 5:44 AM, Abiola Jewoola
> <biola_y2k_at_yahoo.com </mc/compose?to=biola_y2k_at_yahoo.com>>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yea,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My sham is link up from both sides from the show ip ospf sham-link
> >>> output
> >>>>> a
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And full from the show ip ospf nei output!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --- On Tue, 3/30/10, Joe Astorino <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com
> </mc/compose?to=jastorino_at_ipexpert.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> From: Joe Astorino <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com
> </mc/compose?to=jastorino_at_ipexpert.com>>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: OSPF SHAM-LINK
> >>>>> To: "Abiola Jewoola" <biola_y2k_at_yahoo.com
> </mc/compose?to=biola_y2k_at_yahoo.com>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cc: "Ahmed Ejaz" <aahmedejaz_at_gmail.com
> </mc/compose?to=aahmedejaz_at_gmail.com>>, ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> </mc/compose?to=ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> >>>>> Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 2:38 AM
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Are you sure your sham-link is actually working? It doesn't
> sound like
> >>> it
> >>>>> is. If the sham-link was up you would have intra-area O
> routes here.
> >>>>> Take a
> >>>>> look at "sh ip ospf neighbor". Do you see an adjacency over
> >>>>> the sham-link?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 3:46 AM, Joe Astorino
> <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com </mc/compose?to=jastorino_at_ipexpert.com>>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Post your configurations
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 2:43 AM, Abiola Jewoola
> <biola_y2k_at_yahoo.com </mc/compose?to=biola_y2k_at_yahoo.com>>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I had already increased the cost of the back door link very high.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Still the ospf is preferring to go through the back door link
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --- On Mon, 3/29/10, Joe Astorino <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com
> </mc/compose?to=jastorino_at_ipexpert.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> From: Joe Astorino <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com
> </mc/compose?to=jastorino_at_ipexpert.com>>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: OSPF SHAM-LINK
> >>>>> To: "Abiola Jewoola" <biola_y2k_at_yahoo.com
> </mc/compose?to=biola_y2k_at_yahoo.com>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cc: "Ahmed Ejaz" <aahmedejaz_at_gmail.com
> </mc/compose?to=aahmedejaz_at_gmail.com>>, ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> </mc/compose?to=ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Date: Monday, March 29, 2010, 11:10 PM
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ahhh...yes well then that is a different story. Typically we
> see both
> >>>>> remote sites configured for area 0. In your case if both the
> backdoor
> >>>>> link
> >>>>> and the sham-link learned routes are O IA all you should need
> to do is
> >>>>> tweak
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> the OSPF metric
> >>>>> by manipulating cost where necessary. Just remember
> >>>>> that
> >>>>> cost is calculated by adding in the cost of your inbound link.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:39 AM, Abiola Jewoola
> <biola_y2k_at_yahoo.com </mc/compose?to=biola_y2k_at_yahoo.com>>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Find attached the configs on my PE routers.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The process id is the same and i also include the same
> domain-id . but
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> routes still comes as IA. i guess because the PE routers
> area pairing
> >>>>>> with
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> CE routers with different areas.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --- On *Mon, 3/29/10, Ahmed Ejaz <aahmedejaz_at_gmail.com
> </mc/compose?to=aahmedejaz_at_gmail.com>>* wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> From: Ahmed Ejaz <aahmedejaz_at_gmail.com
> </mc/compose?to=aahmedejaz_at_gmail.com>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: OSPF SHAM-LINK
> >>>>>> To: "Joe Astorino" <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com
> </mc/compose?to=jastorino_at_ipexpert.com>>
> >>>>>> Cc: "Abiola Jewoola" <biola_y2k_at_yahoo.com
> </mc/compose?to=biola_y2k_at_yahoo.com>>, ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> </mc/compose?to=ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Date: Monday, March 29, 2010, 9:57 PM
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I guess the ospf process which you are redistributing into bgp
> >>> requires
> >>>>>> a
> >>>>>> domain id, that is the reason it is treating it as an IA
> route. Please
> >>>>>> add
> >>>>> a
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> domain id on both the sides and the routes should come up as
> O routes
> >>>>> then
> >>>>>> you can modify the cost to not prefer the sham link.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> HTH
> >>>>>> Ahmed
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 7:43 AM, Joe Astorino
> >>>>> <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com
> </mc/compose?to=jastorino@ipexpert.com><http://mc/compose?to=jastorino@ipexpert.com>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> OSPF routes coming over the sham-link should be regular O routes
> >>>>>>> (intra-area) and thus should be preferred over O IA
> routes...post
> >>> your
> >>>>>>> configurations something does not seem right about that.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 10:35 PM, Abiola Jewoola
> >>>>> <biola_y2k_at_yahoo.com
> </mc/compose?to=biola_y2k@yahoo.com><http://mc/compose?to=biola_y2k@yahoo.com>>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Hello G.S
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> How can i make ospf prefer to forward route routes via ospf
> >>>>>>>> sham-link.
> >>>>> The
> >>>>>>>> sham link has has a cost of 10 and the routes are coming as IA
> >>> routes
> >>>>>>> across
> >>>>>>>> the MPLS backbone
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The router is preferring the backdoor link even when i have
> >>> increased
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> the cost
> >>>>>>>> as high as 65000. The routes are also advertised as IA routes.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>>> Abiola
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>
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> >>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
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