Re: OEQ Waiver program! No MORE OEQ for Cisco 360 students.

No i don't think its a good idea, but what can we do?
Posting negative things regarding the program, or whoever offers the program
is NOT the way to handle this. I know that some of the vendors (Non-360) are
upset, But mate, THEY HAD A CHOICE.
I used to tell my students (And still do) to purchase other materials so
they can see the philosophy from a different perspective, but now i have
another vendor (The 360), which i think its a GR8 compliment to what i have.
Attacking other vendors is NOT the solution, the idea here is to study and
get the number. I feel sorry for the people that study on their own, but do
i feel sorry for the other vendors? NO
The only reason they did not join the program is because they did not want
to pay extra $$$$ to Cisco on a per student basis, it did NOT matter if the
360 material helped their students or NOT, they just refused it so they make
more money.
They did not know what was in their material.
I think their material is cool, and i am sure that my students can benefit
from them. What i have + what comes with Cisco's 360 together is the best.

now back to the question, do i agree with this promotion? NO

On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Persio Pucci <persio_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> Narbik,
>
> I take from your attitude you are not very happy with the change, although
> you abide to it being a C360 vendor... bu$ine$$ reasons asside, do you
> think
> it is a good idea to make distinction between whoever purchases
> Cisco-branded classes instead of home-grown training from the other vendors
> (from which I always hear have great material, just like you used to)?
>
> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Brandon,
> >
> > I never stated that you can t go to another vendor, IPX and INE are
> > fantastic vendors offering CCIE program for a long time.
> >
> > BTW, I do teach the lower certs, like BGP and MPLS and the cost of my
> class
> > is one of the lowest in the market with FREE retakes.
> >
> >
> >
> > Cm,
> >
> > I am sorry that you have changed your mind about attending my boot camp,
> > but
> > it does NOT matter what I believe or what I don t believe, this is what s
> > happened and if I agree or disagree it won t make a difference, so please
> > understand that what I am saying here is to cool down and study, don t
> > poison your blood.
> >
> > I am NOT changing my style of teaching for ANYONE, I am what I am, and I
> > like to teach, so just because I joined the 360 program and Cisco came up
> > with his promotion, it does not mean that I am NOT the same person.
> >
> >
> >
> > In a way I don t agree with this promotion because its NOT fair to the
> > people that like to study on their own, and NOT because some of the
> vendors
> > that have NOT joined the program. They had an option to provide a
> different
> > view/perspective to their students and they choose NOT to do that.
> >
> >
> >
> > Just because you did not go through the OEQs, it does NOT mean that you
> are
> > a less knowledgeable person. Scott or bunch of others have NOT gone
> through
> > the OEQs, does that mean that they don t know what they are talking
> about?
> >
> >
> > I never cared for the OEQs anyways, and in a way I am glad that my
> students
> > won t have to go through the OEQs. It s a choice that you have to make.
> If
> > you were one of those people that did not care for OEQs, now you have a
> > chance NOT to do them.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ryan,
> >
> > Yes I am teaching a class, I don t know where you are from, but I let my
> > students go to lunch and while they are at lunch, I reply to some of my
> > e-mails, what the heck is wrong with that??????????????? I am in Poland
> and
> > if you *care *to know about the class, let me know and I will get you to
> > talk to them, you will be surprised, but if you don t care, why make a
> > statement????
> >
> >
> >
> > Pass4sure????? Just because the students don t have to do the OEQs????
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:32 AM, Alexei Monastyrnyi
> > <alexeim73_at_gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> > > Mate,
> > > it is not exactly 8 hours, it is 0.5 + 2 + 5.5, so if you are good at
> TS
> > > then good for you. First hand experience, when I passed my lab I made
> it
> > > in 6 hours, there was no TS or OEQ back then so I had time to go time
> > > and again over my configs and CLI outputs (though it seemed all correct
> > > to me, didn't find any issues). If they put the same amount of tasks in
> > > 5.5 format of configuration section, each 30 minutes would make
> > > difference, especially considering new all-on-one-screen format. I am
> > > not good at all-on-one screen thing, I'd need a printed workbook, and
> > > not only because of weak sight but also because it is faster and more
> > > relaxed to one's mind to look up on the screen for CLI windows and down
> > > to the workbook for diagrams and tasks. It is indeed a matter of habit,
> > > but almost everyone has this habit. So new format would scary me, slow
> > > me down, and 30 minutes extra would NOT go amiss. :-)
> > >
> > > Probably vendors out there should start issuing their workbooks in such
> > > all-on-one-screen format to help people get familiar with environment.
> > :-)
> > >
> > > My .02 AUD incl GST.
> > >
> > > A.
> > >
> > > On 2010-03-16 16:01, Patrick Galligan wrote:
> > > > If you really need the 8hrs, you didn't prepare properly.
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 8:53 PM, Rolf<schaerer_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I think it's not about buying your CCIE or not. Let's face it, if
> > > >> you're prepared and ready for the lab you should be able to answer
> the
> > > >> four questions - you can miss one, but the rules should be fair...
> > > >> It really depends what the rules are for the waiver qualified
> > > >> candidates. If they do get the whole 8 hours for 2 sections of the
> > > >> exam, you can practically say that with the 360 program, you can buy
> > > >> yourself more configuration time, and this can be crucial...
> > > >>
> > > >> Just my 2 Rappen
> > > >> Regards,
> > > >>
> > > >> Rolf
> > > >> CCIE #17218 (R&S, SP, SAN)
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