Re: OEQ Waiver program! No MORE OEQ for Cisco 360 students.

I doubt it has much to do with Cisco trying to make more money out of
training. The CCIE program is a tiny drop in the bucket of their total
revenue.

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 1:12 AM, Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com> wrote:
> My opinion... Hmmmm... Well, I've been spending a lot of time last
> night and this morning reading the different responses and laughing at
> different parts and pieces along the way.
>
> What do I think about the waiver? Stupid business decision. I
> understand what the intent was, and find it kind of amusing. However, I
> think that it wasn't a very well thought out plan of attack.
>
> What is interesting about many of the responses that have been going on
> for the last 13 hours or so is that there is a good mix of both personal
> opinions and business opinions. Personal opinions will always get
> people up in arms. You can like something, I may not like it, or vice
> versa... it is what it is. Business opinions though may tend to be a
> little different. Understanding motivation (generally $$) is a good
> starting point to get to the thinking behind a decision.
>
> If Brad really came up with this idea, I ABSOLUTELY understand why. It
> clearly serves his marketing goals quite well, and he has no skin in the
> game from a legal standpoint. That (along with the registration of the
> domain name) I can sit back and laugh at. Good marketing, have fun with
> that!
>
> Cisco, on the other hand, I really have to try to figure out where the
> thought process was going. High level, same as Brad's view, I
> understand. But they have more to think about, and that's why (in MY
> opinion) I think it wasn't fully baked.
>
> Will it have an effect on anything in the long-run? Who knows. I don't
> think it will bring about the end of the world one way or the other. If
> it makes some paranoid people run a particular direction because of it,
> then that's what happens... But if nothing else, it does highlight the
> idea of exactly WHERE the thinking happens to be. (See $$ above)
>
> Am I worried about it? Nope. Am I going to run off to join the 30
> program since someone told me resistance was futile? Nope. Am I
> worried about any of my students passing the OEQs? Nope.
>
> IMHO, it's a non-issue. But it is highly entertaining to sit back and
> watch. Like anything, give it a while and see what else develops.
>
> Scott
>
> PS. Just the standard disclaimer stuff, I haven't discussed my opinions
> with anyone else at INE, so I have no idea whether anyone agrees with me
> or not (nor do I care). So if I irritate you, just take it out on me,
> not them! ;)
>
>
> Jones wrote:
>> What's your opinion on this Scott?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> Scott Morris
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 7:03 AM
>> To: Narbik Kocharians
>> Cc: Shaughn Smith; Rob Phillips; Brad Ellis; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>> Subject: Re: OEQ Waiver program! No MORE OEQ for Cisco 360 students.
>>
>> May I take that as an official position from a Cisco 360 Learning
>> Partner?
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> Narbik Kocharians wrote:
>>
>> You guys can bypass the OEQs by attending a 360 program, we have added
>> bunch
>> of stuff to the 360 program, and if the students complete the labs they
>> can
>> bypass the OEQs. I think its NOT bad, since they know whats going to be
>> covered in these classes. Our students go through the 360 material + all
>> the
>> materials that we have added to the program as supplemental materials
>> (roughly around 3500 + pages), and if anyone goes through this program,
>> they
>> can BYPASS the OEQ section.
>>
>> But why fight it? It's NOT that you will get anywhere, we saw a
>> similar fight and bitterness when they introduced the OEQs, now they are
>> giving the students a chance NOT to do the OEQs.
>>
>> Before OEQs everyone was complaining about the pass4sures and stuff llike
>> that, so they added the OEQs, then, everyone started complaining about the
>> OEQs, NOW they are giving the students a chance NOT to go through the
>> OEQs,
>> now some are still complaining.
>>
>> Don't let things like this poison your blood, just go with the flow,
>> specially when you have NO other option.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 6:38 AM, Shaughn Smith <maniac.smg_at_gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Couldn't have worded it better myself. As a qualified Commercial pilot I
>> know where you are coming from. I am also truly disappointed at Cisco's
>> decision on this.
>>
>> CCIE # 23962
>>
>> On Mar 16, 2010 3:26 PM, "Rob Phillips" <rrphillips_at_swankav.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Brad,
>>
>> I am a Pilot who did his training in a 141 school from Private all the
>> way through my Commercial, Instrument, Multi-engine. The one thing you
>> forgot or just never looked into is that at the end of the training
>> EVERYONE still must pass their checkride with an examiner who should be
>> using 1 set of guidelines. The checkride as published guidelines that
>> EVERYONE must meet no matter if you are part 61 or 141. When I took my
>> Multi-engine ride my 141 had lost their examiner so the final ride was
>> done by an outside source. That ride was no different than any other
>> ride. The examiner as me several oral questions before walking out to
>> the plan (OEQ), During the flight he simulated emergencies
>> (Troubleshooting) and I had to fly meeting other standards of regular
>> flight in different configurations (config section).
>>
>> I believe the 141 as compared to part 61 is more structured, however it
>> all comes down to the checkride. You publish ONE and only ONE standard.
>> Everyone must meet that same standard. If you know a flight school
>> that has an examiner who skips this practice then please let me know. I
>> will gladly report them to the FAA. I do not want to share the skies
>> with someone who learned something just long enough to make it past a
>> section of an approved course. I want to fly with guys who LEARNED it
>> so that they remember for a lifetime instead of just a few weeks.
>>
>> I agree with many others on this list. If you know it then you should
>> be fine with the OEQ. How long does it really take to answer 4
>> questions that are just a few words long. If Cisco thinks that this is
>> a plus to a student then they should sit back and look at the whole idea
>> of OEQ. Why would that be a plus? Is Cisco admitting that some of the
>> OEQ are just plain bad that by having a student go the 360 route then
>> they don't have to play the "how hard of a OEQ" lottery?
>>
>> To sum it up, I feel very disappointed with Cisco that they would ever
>> have two different standard when it comes to the lab exam. I know I
>> will feel proud when I get my numbers that I did to the HIGHEST
>> standard.
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:
>> nobody_at_groupstudy.com ] On Behalf Of
>>
>> Brad Ellis Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 1:36 AM To:
>> ccielab_at_groupstudy.comSubject: RE: OEQ Waiver ...
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