RE: OEQ Waiver program! No MORE OEQ for Cisco 360 students.

He has no opinion because he is too busy turning in his paperwork to join
360 now!!!

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From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Jones
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 7:44 AM
To: 'Scott Morris'; 'Narbik Kocharians'
Cc: 'Shaughn Smith'; 'Rob Phillips'; 'Brad Ellis'; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: OEQ Waiver program! No MORE OEQ for Cisco 360 students.

What's your opinion on this Scott?

-----Original Message-----
From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Scott Morris
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 7:03 AM
To: Narbik Kocharians
Cc: Shaughn Smith; Rob Phillips; Brad Ellis; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: OEQ Waiver program! No MORE OEQ for Cisco 360 students.

 May I take that as an official position from a Cisco 360 Learning
Partner?

Scott

Narbik Kocharians wrote:

  You guys can bypass the OEQs by attending a 360 program, we have added
bunch
  of stuff to the 360 program, and if the students complete the labs they
can
  bypass the OEQs. I think its NOT bad, since they know whats going to be
  covered in these classes. Our students go through the 360 material + all
the
  materials that we have added to the program as supplemental materials
  (roughly around 3500 + pages), and if anyone goes through this program,
they
  can BYPASS the OEQ section.
  
  But why fight it? It's NOT that you will get anywhere, we saw a
  similar fight and bitterness when they introduced the OEQs, now they are
  giving the students a chance NOT to do the OEQs.
  
  Before OEQs everyone was complaining about the pass4sures and stuff llike
  that, so they added the OEQs, then, everyone started complaining about the
  OEQs, NOW they are giving the students a chance NOT to go through the
OEQs,
  now some are still complaining.
  
  Don't let things like this poison your blood, just go with the flow,
  specially when you have NO other option.
  
  Thanks
  
  On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 6:38 AM, Shaughn Smith <maniac.smg_at_gmail.com>
wrote:

    Couldn't have worded it better myself. As a qualified Commercial pilot I
    know where you are coming from. I am also truly disappointed at Cisco's
    decision on this.
    
    CCIE # 23962
    
    On Mar 16, 2010 3:26 PM, "Rob Phillips" <rrphillips_at_swankav.com>
wrote:
    
    Brad,
    
    I am a Pilot who did his training in a 141 school from Private all the
    way through my Commercial, Instrument, Multi-engine. The one thing you
    forgot or just never looked into is that at the end of the training
    EVERYONE still must pass their checkride with an examiner who should be
    using 1 set of guidelines. The checkride as published guidelines that
    EVERYONE must meet no matter if you are part 61 or 141. When I took my
    Multi-engine ride my 141 had lost their examiner so the final ride was
    done by an outside source. That ride was no different than any other
    ride. The examiner as me several oral questions before walking out to
    the plan (OEQ), During the flight he simulated emergencies
    (Troubleshooting) and I had to fly meeting other standards of regular
    flight in different configurations (config section).

    I believe the 141 as compared to part 61 is more structured, however it
    all comes down to the checkride. You publish ONE and only ONE standard.
    Everyone must meet that same standard. If you know a flight school
    that has an examiner who skips this practice then please let me know. I
    will gladly report them to the FAA. I do not want to share the skies
    with someone who learned something just long enough to make it past a
    section of an approved course. I want to fly with guys who LEARNED it
    so that they remember for a lifetime instead of just a few weeks.
    
    I agree with many others on this list. If you know it then you should
    be fine with the OEQ. How long does it really take to answer 4
    questions that are just a few words long. If Cisco thinks that this is
    a plus to a student then they should sit back and look at the whole idea
    of OEQ. Why would that be a plus? Is Cisco admitting that some of the
    OEQ are just plain bad that by having a student go the 360 route then
    they don't have to play the "how hard of a OEQ" lottery?
    
    To sum it up, I feel very disappointed with Cisco that they would ever
    have two different standard when it comes to the lab exam. I know I
    will feel proud when I get my numbers that I did to the HIGHEST
    standard.
    
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