Re: RE: OEQ Waiver program! No MORE OEQ for Cisco 360 students.

Couldn't have worded it better myself. As a qualified Commercial pilot I
know where you are coming from. I am also truly disappointed at Cisco's
decision on this.

CCIE # 23962

On Mar 16, 2010 3:26 PM, "Rob Phillips" <rrphillips_at_swankav.com> wrote:

Brad,

I am a Pilot who did his training in a 141 school from Private all the
way through my Commercial, Instrument, Multi-engine. The one thing you
forgot or just never looked into is that at the end of the training
EVERYONE still must pass their checkride with an examiner who should be
using 1 set of guidelines. The checkride as published guidelines that
EVERYONE must meet no matter if you are part 61 or 141. When I took my
Multi-engine ride my 141 had lost their examiner so the final ride was
done by an outside source. That ride was no different than any other
ride. The examiner as me several oral questions before walking out to
the plan (OEQ), During the flight he simulated emergencies
(Troubleshooting) and I had to fly meeting other standards of regular
flight in different configurations (config section).

I believe the 141 as compared to part 61 is more structured, however it
all comes down to the checkride. You publish ONE and only ONE standard.
Everyone must meet that same standard. If you know a flight school
that has an examiner who skips this practice then please let me know. I
will gladly report them to the FAA. I do not want to share the skies
with someone who learned something just long enough to make it past a
section of an approved course. I want to fly with guys who LEARNED it
so that they remember for a lifetime instead of just a few weeks.

I agree with many others on this list. If you know it then you should
be fine with the OEQ. How long does it really take to answer 4
questions that are just a few words long. If Cisco thinks that this is
a plus to a student then they should sit back and look at the whole idea
of OEQ. Why would that be a plus? Is Cisco admitting that some of the
OEQ are just plain bad that by having a student go the 360 route then
they don't have to play the "how hard of a OEQ" lottery?

To sum it up, I feel very disappointed with Cisco that they would ever
have two different standard when it comes to the lab exam. I know I
will feel proud when I get my numbers that I did to the HIGHEST
standard.

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