Re: OEQ Waiver program! No MORE OEQ for Cisco 360 students.

Dear All,

In my own opinion this is strong POLITICS.
All other CCIE training vendors should do a protest to Cisco for
this SEGRAGATED DECISION.
I believe if they do . . . and if Cisco is customer savvy they might have
a re-think, in other to have a plain level ground for ALL.
But if they keep-quite that will be it.

Tannie.

On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Bodnar, Edward
<Edward.Bodnar_at_unisys.com>wrote:

> That cant be true.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Mad_Prof Mad_Prof
> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 7:29 AM
> To: Brad Ellis
> Cc: Travis Niedens; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: OEQ Waiver program! No MORE OEQ for Cisco 360 students.
>
> Brad,
>
>
> Can you explain why 360 customers need a break on the OEQs while every else
> is tested on it ?
>
>
> Thanks
> Karar
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 12:04 AM, Brad Ellis <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com> wrote:
>
> > I am a pilot, so I'd probably just fly myself. But if I had to pick one,
> > I'd pick the one who'd make it there without any required NTSB reports
> > or insurance claims!
> >
> >
> >
> > Becoming a good pilot is something that comes from experience - similar
> > to a CCIE. The more situations you've encountered and "lived to tell
> > about it" the better of a pilot you become - learning from the situation
> > and any potential mistakes you made. Granted, having a router or switch
> > go down on you is nothing like taking a direct hit by lightning in a
> > small single engine airplane IMC at 10,000ft MSL, 3,000ft AGL and then
> > instruments catching on fire! (that'll get your blood pumpin!)
> >
> >
> >
> > My feeling is, the OEQ Waiver program is just a part of the Cisco 360
> > program. I believe the test itself isn't changing. In my opinion, core
> > knowledge is simply being validated by an authorized training program
> > and an authorized training instructor. The waiver has to be approved by
> > the instructor. For our Cisco 360 students: if you don't participate in
> > the class, you don't do your labs, etc, then the Cisco 360 instructor
> > isn't going to validate your core knowledge and he/she will NOT issue
> > you a waiver. The student has to EARN the waiver - heck, I'm a dual
> > CCIE, I want my CCIE to be as industry valid as the day I got it.
> >
> >
> >
> > The CCIE certification has changed throughout the years, and will
> > continue to do so. I'm sure more changes will be coming (technical or
> > administrative), more CCIE tracks added, etc. It's an ever-evolving
> > program.
> >
> >
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > Brad Ellis
> >
> > CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
> >
> > CCSI# 30482
> >
> > CEO / President
> >
> > CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP)
> >
> > Email: brad_at_ccbootcamp.com
> >
> > Toll Free: 877-654-2243
> >
> > International: +1-702-968-5100
> >
> > Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call
> >
> > FAX: +1-702-446-8012
> >
> > YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
> >
> > Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com
> > <http://www.ccbootcamp.com/>
> >
> > OEQ Voice Waiver: http://www.ccbootcamp.com/noeqvoice.html
> >
> > Qualify for an OEQ R&S Waiver: http://www.ccbootcamp.com/noeqrs.html
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Travis Niedens [mailto:niedentj_at_hotmail.com]
> > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 11:43 PM
> > To: Brad Ellis; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: OEQ Waiver program! No MORE OEQ for Cisco 360 students.
> >
> >
> >
> > Now, the question is, which pilot would you rather fly with ?
> >
> > > Subject: RE: OEQ Waiver program! No MORE OEQ for Cisco 360 students.
> > > Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 23:36:19 -0700
> > > From: brad_at_ccbootcamp.com
> > > To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > >
> > > Compare the OEQ Waiver program to the different ways of obtaining your
> > > pilot's license, Part 61 vs. Part 141 (and I'll save you the google:
> > > http://www.m0a.com/learning-fly-part-61-141/ )
> > >
> > > With Part 61, it's a less structured and controlled approach with an
> > FAA
> > > examiner "check ride" at the end. With Part 141 it has more "checks
> > and
> > > balances" throughout the training program in which you are validated
> > at
> > > each step of the process. The curriculum is much more regulated and
> > much
> > > more well defined. When you finish the program, you have your pilot's
> > > license (after an in-house final check). The FAA finds that both of
> > > these methods are effective for pilot's obtaining their license.
> > >
> > > By Cisco offering this waiver program, it would appear similar to Part
> > > 141 - validate student's core knowledge during the study process.
> > >
> > > thanks,
> > > Brad Ellis
> > > CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
> > > CCSI# 30482
> > > CEO / President
> > > CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP)
> > > Email: brad_at_ccbootcamp.com
> > > Toll Free: 877-654-2243
> > > International: +1-702-968-5100
> > > Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call
> > > FAX: +1-702-446-8012
> > > YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
> > > Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com
> > > Qualify for an OEQ Voice Waiver:
> > > http://www.ccbootcamp.com/noeqvoice.html
> > > Qualify for an OEQ R&S Waiver: http://www.ccbootcamp.com/noeqrs.html
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: itguy.pro_at_gmail.com [mailto:itguy.pro_at_gmail.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 11:07 PM
> > > To: Steve Di Bias; JB
> > > Cc: Joe Astorino; Marko Milivojevic; Brad Ellis;
> > ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: Re: OEQ Waiver program! No MORE OEQ for Cisco 360 students.
> > >
> > > Brad,
> > >
> > > On a serious note: what were you smoking when you suggested this
> > asinine
> > > idea to cisco? And what were they on when you were explaining it? What
> > > did they say? Omfg, what a brilliant idea, why didn't we think of this
> > > before to screw potential CCIEs in the butt with both hands on
> > shoulder?
> > >
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