RE: OEQ Waiver program! No MORE OEQ for Cisco 360 students.

That cant be true.

-----Original Message-----
From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Mad_Prof Mad_Prof
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 7:29 AM
To: Brad Ellis
Cc: Travis Niedens; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: OEQ Waiver program! No MORE OEQ for Cisco 360 students.

Brad,

Can you explain why 360 customers need a break on the OEQs while every else
is tested on it ?

Thanks
Karar

On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 12:04 AM, Brad Ellis <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com> wrote:

> I am a pilot, so I'd probably just fly myself. But if I had to pick one,
> I'd pick the one who'd make it there without any required NTSB reports
> or insurance claims!
>
>
>
> Becoming a good pilot is something that comes from experience - similar
> to a CCIE. The more situations you've encountered and "lived to tell
> about it" the better of a pilot you become - learning from the situation
> and any potential mistakes you made. Granted, having a router or switch
> go down on you is nothing like taking a direct hit by lightning in a
> small single engine airplane IMC at 10,000ft MSL, 3,000ft AGL and then
> instruments catching on fire! (that'll get your blood pumpin!)
>
>
>
> My feeling is, the OEQ Waiver program is just a part of the Cisco 360
> program. I believe the test itself isn't changing. In my opinion, core
> knowledge is simply being validated by an authorized training program
> and an authorized training instructor. The waiver has to be approved by
> the instructor. For our Cisco 360 students: if you don't participate in
> the class, you don't do your labs, etc, then the Cisco 360 instructor
> isn't going to validate your core knowledge and he/she will NOT issue
> you a waiver. The student has to EARN the waiver - heck, I'm a dual
> CCIE, I want my CCIE to be as industry valid as the day I got it.
>
>
>
> The CCIE certification has changed throughout the years, and will
> continue to do so. I'm sure more changes will be coming (technical or
> administrative), more CCIE tracks added, etc. It's an ever-evolving
> program.
>
>
>
> thanks,
>
> Brad Ellis
>
> CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
>
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> Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com
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> OEQ Voice Waiver: http://www.ccbootcamp.com/noeqvoice.html
>
> Qualify for an OEQ R&S Waiver: http://www.ccbootcamp.com/noeqrs.html
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Travis Niedens [mailto:niedentj_at_hotmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 11:43 PM
> To: Brad Ellis; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: OEQ Waiver program! No MORE OEQ for Cisco 360 students.
>
>
>
> Now, the question is, which pilot would you rather fly with ?
>
> > Subject: RE: OEQ Waiver program! No MORE OEQ for Cisco 360 students.
> > Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 23:36:19 -0700
> > From: brad_at_ccbootcamp.com
> > To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> >
> > Compare the OEQ Waiver program to the different ways of obtaining your
> > pilot's license, Part 61 vs. Part 141 (and I'll save you the google:
> > http://www.m0a.com/learning-fly-part-61-141/ )
> >
> > With Part 61, it's a less structured and controlled approach with an
> FAA
> > examiner "check ride" at the end. With Part 141 it has more "checks
> and
> > balances" throughout the training program in which you are validated
> at
> > each step of the process. The curriculum is much more regulated and
> much
> > more well defined. When you finish the program, you have your pilot's
> > license (after an in-house final check). The FAA finds that both of
> > these methods are effective for pilot's obtaining their license.
> >
> > By Cisco offering this waiver program, it would appear similar to Part
> > 141 - validate student's core knowledge during the study process.
> >
> > thanks,
> > Brad Ellis
> > CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
> > CCSI# 30482
> > CEO / President
> > CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP)
> > Email: brad_at_ccbootcamp.com
> > Toll Free: 877-654-2243
> > International: +1-702-968-5100
> > Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call
> > FAX: +1-702-446-8012
> > YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
> > Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com
> > Qualify for an OEQ Voice Waiver:
> > http://www.ccbootcamp.com/noeqvoice.html
> > Qualify for an OEQ R&S Waiver: http://www.ccbootcamp.com/noeqrs.html
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: itguy.pro_at_gmail.com [mailto:itguy.pro_at_gmail.com]
> > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 11:07 PM
> > To: Steve Di Bias; JB
> > Cc: Joe Astorino; Marko Milivojevic; Brad Ellis;
> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: OEQ Waiver program! No MORE OEQ for Cisco 360 students.
> >
> > Brad,
> >
> > On a serious note: what were you smoking when you suggested this
> asinine
> > idea to cisco? And what were they on when you were explaining it? What
> > did they say? Omfg, what a brilliant idea, why didn't we think of this
> > before to screw potential CCIEs in the butt with both hands on
> shoulder?
> >
> >
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