Wayne,
I am sorry to say you this but somebody basically have to - your email is
rude and hypocritical...
Ps. I am not a customer (or related anyhow) to IPexpert or Narbik
eicc
Hopefully this doesn't
> cause your blood pressure to rise and for you to begin sending
> abrasive emails to me again.
> .....
> I'm also pretty sure you
> don't have the ability to provide factual information (documented)
> supporting many of your claims. If I'm wrong, please accept my
> apologies.
>
>
...your email is basically rude.
>
>
> On Jan 17, 2010, at 2:04 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I believe that members of this forum should know the good, bad and
> > the ugly side of the vendors before they join. They should know what
> > is available and who is offering what classes. How else would these
> > members know that???????????????????
> > If a member does not like to receive these e-mails, he/she can
> > delete them based on their subject. If i do not care about SNA and/
> > or DLSW, i will simply ignore or delete them. no one i know is
> > interested in every subject that goes on here.
> > BUT I don't beleive that any of the vendors have gone overboard as
> > far as advertisements.
> > What is wrong with what Nadeem said, or what Ron mentioned, why
> > quickly come back and make a comment? would these 1, 2, 3 or 4 star
> > Generals make a comment if the subject was about their classes or
> > products? I bet NOT.
> > There are lots of GR8 technical discussions here in GS and members
> > help other members on regular basis, IT DOES NOT hurt to know what
> > the vendors offer.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Wayne Lawson <groupstudy_at_ipexpert.com
> > > wrote:
> > This is an 11-year+ problem that has never been resolved (or
> > should I say "agreed upon"). I'm pretty sure Brad, Scott, Brian,
> > Narbik and I have all seen / addressed this a few dozen times!
> > See....some vendors, in the past, have used hotmail and gmail
> > addresses as "ghost customers". These "fake people" bash other
> > vendors and make false statements about products, instructors and
> > competition on GS.
> >
> > There's also the problem with certain vendors promoting their
> > products or even getting into battles with other vendors /
> > instructors (note: this is much different than supporting products -
> > when I say "promoting" I mean posting information about a product -
> > using GS to gain visibility with the hope to sell something or
> > solicit customers. However, there's also the question - can I post
> > a "freebie" - and is that "promoting" - the verdict is still out
> > depending on who posts it and who you ask). It's unfortunate - but
> > a large portion of the GS community is gullable and takes everything
> > posted here as "the truth". So - ultimately - I agree with Scott
> > (don't use this list to make your decision - go directly to each
> > vendor and make an informed decision.
> >
> > As a potential customer - I would *hope* that buyers contact
> > each vender directly. Ask them what you want to know - and ask for
> > referrals and / or proof of what they're telling you. Look at key
> > indicators like how many people they've helped pass (ask for
> > referrals and check out their testimonials and "wall of fame"), ask
> > how up-to-date their products are (ask for samples), ask about their
> > online racks (ask for a sample / test voucher), ask about support
> > (then join their support communities and monitor it), ask how
> > refunds, retakes and updates are handled - and get it in writing, go
> > to the local Cisco Users Group - or call your peers / people you may
> > know who are studying for the lab (and get their opinions) - and so
> > on.
> >
> > This decision is usually one of the biggest decisions you'll
> > make in your professional career. If you were going to enroll or
> > apply to a college / universty - would you join a mailing list and
> > value the opinions coming from people you don't know? Your CCIE
> > number - in most cases - will help earn you a six-figure salary and
> > sometimes carry as much weight (or more) than a AS or BS degree - so
> > apply the same tactics you would apply (before purchasing) that you
> > would apply of you were selecting a college / universty.
> >
> > The main point here is that I agree with everyone. Scott is
> > accurate - Ask the vendors directly. The other GS members (Nadeem
> > and itechguru) who have responded also have a valid point - "ask
> > people" - but my *suggestion* is to know who is giving you advice
> > and collect your facts in a serious and logical manner.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Wayne A. Lawson II - CCIE #5244
> > Founder & President - IPexpert
> > Mailto: wlawson_at_ipexpert.com
> > Telephone: +1.810.326.1444, ext. 101
> > Live Assistance, Please visit: www.ipexpert.com/chat
> > eFax: +1.810.454.0130
> >
> > ::Message sent from iPhone::
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jan 17, 2010, at 1:07 PM, Itechguru <wajid.ccie_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I would definitely agree with Nadeem. There is nothing wrong in
> > discussing
> > different vendors or mentioning their products @ GS.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Nadeem Rafi <nrafia_at_gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > hi,
> > I am a proud customer of INE and very well satisfied with their
> > products, a
> > good admirer of Narbik and his way of teaching, esp. his mentoring
> > capabilities. Never worked with IPexpert but they equally earn my
> > respect
> > for their hard work (although non of these are free :) )
> > But i deserve to have right to know about all of them on neutral play
> > ground
> > which is GS. This is GS which let me deiced to go with INE CCIE 2.0
> > program.
> > So let the information flow smoothly, and ppl like me can decide
> > based on
> > their own judgments.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > Nadeem Rafi
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 8:34 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com
> > wrote:
> >
> > Ron and Nrafia or others that are interested,
> >
> > Yes we do, please UNICAST me if interested.
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 5:53 AM, Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com> wrote:
> >
> > So where does that fine line exist between letting people know what's
> > going on and being called advertising? It seems we've all had
> > difficulty in establishing that line in the past. (different
> > candidates
> > have differerent thresholds)
> >
> > It would appear best to track anyone's updates:
> >
> > CCBootcamp www.ccbootcamp.com (Not sure there's a blog)
> > INE www.ine.com blog.ine.com
> > IPE www.ipexpert.com blog.ipexpert.com
> > Narbik www.micronicstraining.com (I'm not sure if he has a blog,
> > sorry)
> >
> > Note... Those are listed in alphabetical order, not establishing any
> > order of preference or not! :)
> >
> > Each of the web sites though will also list e-mail addresses to get in
> > contact with the person(s) directly.
> >
> > Scott Morris, CCIEx4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
> >
> > JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
> >
> > JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
> >
> > evil_at_ine.com
> >
> > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> >
> > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com <http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
> >
> > Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> >
> > Outside US: 775-826-4344
> >
> > Knowledge is power.
> >
> > Power corrupts.
> >
> > Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
> >
> > nrafia_at_gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > I dont feel any thing bad, if persons even ask on list. Being a
> > candidate
> > it let me know whats going on.
> >
> > On Jan 17, 2010 11:51am, Marko Milivojevic <markom_at_ipexpert.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 19:42, kaushalccie patel
> > kaushalccie_at_gmail.com >
> > wrote:
> >
> > Any news for Service Provider Workbook also ?
> >
> > How about asking this directly from the vendor's website / forum /
> >
> > sales / support / personal e-mail?
> >
> > --
> >
> > Marko Milivojevic - CCIE #18427
> >
> > Senior Technical Instructor - IPexpert
> >
> > Mailto: markom_at_ipexpert.com
> >
> > Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
> >
> > Fax: +1.810.454.0130
> >
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