Re: OT: Anyone pass V4 lab exam?

Guys,
don't get too serious about what I said! That was just my view and the fact
that troubleshooting skills doesn't just come overnight practicing the
workbook. Thats where the real experience kicks in.

I was told by someone that there could be around 3000+ scenarios in the
troubleshooting section and Cisco will keep this up and growing.

The chances of dumping 3000+ troubleshooting scenarios are pretty thin.
Therefore you can't see anyone is passing. Take the truth or proove me
wrong.

Again, I may be wrong here!

Have I scared all of you now?

-Kermitt!

On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 3:09 AM, Justin Mitchell <jgmitchell_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> As someone who has not taken the lab exam yet I can't honestly say what it
> takes to pass this exam, but these are my thoughts based on other people's
> comments.
>
> It is not going to require 7-10 years experience to pass the lab exam.
> Other than a few people who are unlucky enough to work in a large
> environment that is a hodge-podge of routing protocols and bad practices
> over the years, very few engineers and consultants work on networks that are
> anything like the lab exam. It takes focused study, consistent effort and
> good habits. This isn't your driver's license exam, you can't cram for 1 day
> before the exam, walk in and take it expecting to pass.
>
> As Scott has said, this lab makes you think differently. Troubleshooting is
> an art. You can learn troubleshooting skills, but the truth of the matter
> is, some people are great at troubleshooting and others are just plain
> horrible. Why? Because the skills used for configuring something and fixing
> what is broken are different. I have seen this in other technical fields.
> Some people just don't get that you have to build from the ground up. Some
> people misread things and so they miss out on a small detail that is
> important. I myself do this quite often. I fixed this by putting my finger
> on the screen when I read a question. It forces me to read EVERY word I
> touch. I touch the routers on the screen. I touch it all. It makes me slow
> down and pay attention to detail.
>
> Open Ended Questions - this is something that people are worried about as
> well. I'm preparing for these by reading a little bit each night. So far my
> feeling has been that if I have read the appropriate documentation or book,
> I do well when answering these questions. I'm using INE's OEQ simulator to
> make myself more comfortable with these. It has helped me realize I am able
> to recall a lot more information than I thought I could. As far as the OEQs
> are concerned, you either know the material or you don't. If you are
> preparing for the lab, this is stuff you should know. I haven't really seen
> anything that is outside of what my realm of knowledge should include.
>
> People have complained about the configuration section and the lack of time
> and not being able to look up stuff in documentation during the exam and the
> new interface and this and that. Blah... A lot of the pass reports I have
> read on the list from people who took v3 more than once: they completed the
> exam in less than 6 hours AND looked stuff up in documentation. SO, it can
> be done with success. You also have an idea of what the new user interface
> is. Simulate it as much as you can. Clutter your screen and use hyperterm to
> cripple yourself. I take it is a windows based work station in the lab since
> it using SecureCRT. Learn to use Alt+Tab to shuffle between windows. If you
> have to touch the mouse, you are going to slow yourself down and lose those
> precious seconds you are worried about.
>
> My final thoughts, put on your big boy (or girl) pants and start studying.
> Cisco has made it clear who they are looking for.
> Justin
>
> P.S. my lab date is January 12, 2010 in case you're wondering. And yes I
> feel good about it.
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 8:21 PM, Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com> wrote:
>
>> It's purely thought process. Lots of people have been told, but nobody
>> is listening enough. :)
>>
>> This new lab "thinks" differently than the old lab does. So when
>> everyone studies in the same way they always have, it doesn't help.
>>
>> One of these days someone will get through it. Nothing to worry about.
>> It's merely time.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
>> Jose Padilla wrote:
>> > Kermit-Why is it taking long to pass? Where are people failing? Core
>> > knowledge? TS? Configuration? I need more information to better prepare
>> my
>> > studies.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _____
>> >
>> > From: Radioactive Frog [mailto:pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com]
>> > Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 2:45 PM
>> > To: Jose Padilla
>> > Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>> > Subject: Re: OT: Anyone pass V4 lab exam?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > here we go gain.... world war 2 started all over again!
>> >
>> > Jose, there is already a thread and so far nobody has claimed that he
>> has
>> > passed v4 exam.
>> > It will take a while till you see any pass.....
>> >
>> > One thing I can say, the pass you'll see now will be a person with 7 or
>> 10
>> > yrs + experience and not just the academic/dynamapper!
>> >
>> > Kermit
>> >
>> > On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Jose Padilla <jpadilla141_at_gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I have heard nothing. Not see anyone pass recently.
>> >
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