Re: CCIE SP Changes

:-) I agree... Although it is obviously always easier to say for those who
have already achieved the certification that the certificate should be
relevant, difficult and requires dedication.

On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 13:38, Marko Milivojevic <markom_at_ipexpert.com> wrote:

> I don't understand why everyone brings up "end of home lab" as
> something that is relevant. It's a SERVICE PROVIDER expert cert - none
> of us can have that kind of lab at home. If you CAN have it, there is
> something seriously wrong with the track. As someone who has worked
> for almost 15 years in SP arena, I should know :-).
>
> When CCIE came to market and became prestigious, it was equally
> expensive to prepare for it as it would be with "new" SP track.
> Personally, I see nothing seriously wrong with that. Certificate needs
> to be relevant, difficult and require dedication, study and experience
> to obtain. If certificate doesn't have those attributes, it's as
> useful as MCP Windows 98.
>
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> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 11:55, Roger Pfaeffli <rpf23543_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> > Well Marko, if you are right that would mean "the end" of home labs...
> > ...at least for most of the students. I mean, imagine how much it would
> cost to make a home lab with 7600, ASR1000...
> > I think even if you work with a SP, it could be difficult to get these
> boxes 1 year just for studying.
> >
> > I definitely agree, there should be some changes in the SP lab to bring
> it up to date, Cell Mode MPLS is (at least in my opinion) not really
> something we should learn as the "future technology". Additionally there is
> so much L2VPN stuff they should add.
> >
> > Apart from the fact that I hate the C7600 (evil QoS and other weird stuff
> depending on the Linecard), I hope that Cisco will change the blueprint in
> that way that it "can be affordable" to make a home-, or company lab.
> >
> > I would be very disappointed if they would shutdown this track...I mean,
> they should rather shutdown Storage than the SP track...but that's my
> personal point of view.
> >
> > Let's see what happens :o)
> >
> > Roger
> >
> > -----UrsprC<ngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] Im Auftrag von
> Marko Milivojevic
> > Gesendet: Montag, 7. Dezember 2009 09:09
> > An: Azar Ali
> > Cc: Narbik Kocharians; Ashwin Iyer; Majonestx; Cisco certification
> > Betreff: Re: CCIE SP Changes
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 07:50, Azar Ali <azarali1980_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >> As Narbik said, its impossible to add 7600/12000 series routers due to
> cost.
> >> So I don't expect too much change.B I'm curious to see whatB cisco can
> do for
> >> SP track apart from IOS,core knowledge,troubleshooting sections. Yeah,
> can
> >> could add a few more 7200's and probably some ISR's.
> >
> > I beg to differ. 7600 for Cisco are dirt cheap and all they would need
> > are two per location. Add to that a couple of ASR1000 boxes, combined
> > with 3-4 ME-3400 switches and you got yourself a pretty decent SP
> > setup, unlike the one we have today.
> >
> > IB4m certain we are going to see either change comparable to what I
> > described, or a complete shutdown of the track. All other tracks at the
> > moment make sense relevance and technology-wise. SP is very out of
> > date.
> >
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