Re: OT:Cisco becoming Microsoft ?

Don't recall bashing anyone, just throwing out an idea and pointing out the
fact that IF Cisco was truly interested in blind relevancy and not driven at
least in part by generating money they would be doing that. The early exams
also had much less interest and less people attempting them.

--- On Sat, 12/5/09, Hoogen <hoogen82_at_gmail.com> wrote:

From: Hoogen <hoogen82_at_gmail.com>
Subject: Re: OT:Cisco becoming Microsoft ?
To: "Wouter Prins" <wp_at_null0.nl>
Cc: "John Pelletier" <john.pelletier_at_altima-group.com>,
ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
Date: Saturday, December 5, 2009, 1:00 PM

And John say anything you want to Cisco... But I just can't understand why
most of you guys keep coming and back and bashing guys who took exams before
v4. Do keep in mind, most of us had zero vendor training or workbooks or a
virtual lab to work with... We had our own difficulties on funding our studies
building a freaking lab in our basement and trying out topologies out of
Cisco's documentation. I do understand the v4 is been tough on most guys, but
that doesn't give any of you guys the rights to talk trash about guys who took
it earlier. Every version presented its own challenge and had less people
passing the initial days...

-Hoogen

On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 7:22 AM, Wouter Prins <wp_at_null0.nl> wrote:

Hi John,

As with almost everything, it's all about the money eventually. :)

2009/12/5 John Pelletier <john.pelletier_at_altima-group.com>

> All, I know this is off topic hence the OT in the subject line. A couple
> of
> observations to consider, agree/disagree/disregard as you wish.
>
> Seems to me with the explosion of certifications coming out of Cisco it is
> becoming the new Microsoft of the networking world only really concerned
> with
> how much money it can generate from issuing and requiring the maintenacne
> of a
> laundry list of certifications. Many of which now clearly overalp ie
> CCNP/CCSP
> with extensive IPSec VPN, CCIE R&S and SP with MPLS, and Security with VPN
> and
> MPLS VPN etc. Would they be better off with one cert to cover the 3 for
> instance? And yes I know each goes much deeper into other areas as well.
>
> Also, IF cisco was soooo concerned with the RS V4 being more "real world"
> why
> not require anyone with an earlier than V3 lab to retake the lab at V4
> that
> is reasonable to make sure they are up to speed if that were the real
> intent?
> If they were interested in keeping the numbers down why not do that vs
> issuing
> a V4 that seems to be over the top? Seems to me that much of this is money
> driven then they would ever care to admit to. Well back to MPLS for
> today's exciting topic.
>
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