Re: Compelled to write regarding some CCIE candidates and their

....you guys need to take this conversation offline.
-----Original Message-----
From: Hank Yeomans <hank.yeomans_at_me.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:19:08
To: Narbik Kocharians<narbikk_at_gmail.com>
Cc: <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
Subject: Re: Compelled to write regarding some CCIE candidates and their
  methods

There aren't a lot of people who have it, which translates into future marketability when it is more understood and requested. Especially if they maybe make it a requirement for Cisco Partners and such to have one. I thought I heard some whisper of some rumor of that. I believe i am good at design and will enjoy the duality of a CCIE and a CCDE.

There is only uhhhh 50 or so now?

Man we gotta go have dinner you let me know or worse case ill see you at Networkers if things are just too busy

On Nov 10, 2009, at 1:24 PM, Narbik Kocharians wrote:

> Why CCDE?
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Hank Yeomans <hank.yeomans_at_me.com> wrote:
>> Hey Narbik man how you doing I'm doing good makin things happen attempting
>> ccde in a few weeks! Long time, your keeping yourself super busy too I see
>> :)
>>
>>
>> On Nov 7, 2009, at 11:33 PM, Narbik Kocharians wrote:
>>
>>> Mr. Yeomans,
>>>
>>> How are you my friend, long time.......Ladies/Gents....this guy has
>>> the BEST tequila in the world and i mean the BEST.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Hank Yeomans <hank.yeomans_at_me.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> haha thats funny considering vodka and rum are all I drink. Just that
>>>> beer
>>>> is the universal drink word, i think.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> cheers/salud.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 7, 2009, at 8:31 PM, Scott Morris wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Beers aren't really my type. Good vodka works well. And who says I'm
>>>>> not? ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm doing a technical review for some wireless content. Yay! It's hard
>>>>> to bring myself to review anything for the DE when I still have no idea
>>>>> what the results were for August, although I'm resigning myself to the
>>>>> idea that not holding my breath was probably a good one! heheheheh.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Scott
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hank Yeomans wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank for the 2 cents Scott,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do remember which is why I choose what and how often I write
>>>>>> carefully. Shouldn't you be into a few beers already on a Saturday
>>>>>> night? Yes I should too, unfortunately brushing up for the DE exam
>>>>>> coming up.....so no life as of yet. But someone has to!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 7, 2009, at 8:07 PM, Scott Morris wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let me start by pointing out that I have no opinion whatsoever on the
>>>>>>> Twitter drama.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In general, that's a well-written post although I'm not sure the point
>>>>>>> other than supporting your friend. Definitely a noble effort.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, one thing that you mention kinda jumps out at me:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Maybe you don't realize that in this day the word cheating can make
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> break your career. These days HR departments are watching your every
>>>>>>> move to see if you are really what they want in their company. That
>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>> word can keep you making bigmacs at Mcd's forever."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regardless of what word(s) someone may say about you (yes, some stick
>>>>>>> more than others), has it not dawned on anyone that what is
>>>>>>> posted/archived/copied/RSS'd/whatever'd on the Internet is
>>>>>>> "forever"???
>>>>>>> If an HR department is doing any sort of search about a person and
>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>> "personality" then it may simply not be about whether some other
>>>>>>> random
>>>>>>> person called them a cheater or not, but very much so on their own
>>>>>>> demeanor and behavior online.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now, I know that whole bit about casting the first stone, blah, blah,
>>>>>>> blah... And I've been in my share of "entertaining discussions" over
>>>>>>> time. But ya need to remember that even 8-10 years later, I can still
>>>>>>> find these discussions and get a sense for a personality or maturity
>>>>>>> level. So I'm thinking that it's not just a single word like that
>>>>>>> would really be the deciding factor of employment without any sense of
>>>>>>> proof.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just my two cents,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
>>>>>>> #4713,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> evil_at_ine.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Toll Free: 877-224-8987
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Outside US: 775-826-4344
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Knowledge is power.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Power corrupts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hank Yeomans wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Truth be told there aren't many things I feel compelled to write
>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>> on GS. While there is much value there is also and equal and
>>>>>>>> sometimes greater amount of useless people and useless question
>>>>>>>> instead of taking it upon ones self to do a little background work
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> research and then come forward with what I would consider a
>>>>>>>> legitimate
>>>>>>>> question/need for assistance. It is true that there are many things
>>>>>>>> out there these days that devalue a CCIE. There are also forces at
>>>>>>>> play like with anything else (analogous to a cable hot box that gets
>>>>>>>> you all the channels that the cable company has to defeat only to
>>>>>>>> find
>>>>>>>> that someone found another loop hole).Issues like this have gone on
>>>>>>>> since the beginning of time and will continue to do so and anyone who
>>>>>>>> doesn't see it that way may be a little naive.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Having said that there's been some drama that has tricked on to the
>>>>>>>> twitter-verse and yes I was a part of that too. I know the basic
>>>>>>>> background of Darby Weaver, I've followed his adventures through
>>>>>>>> failed attempts prospects of becoming a CCIE proctor and so on. On
>>>>>>>> twitter it wasn't just one person (twitter.com/ipv6freely) who
>>>>>>>> pointed
>>>>>>>> out Darby's short comings we 'all' have. Basically every CCIE that
>>>>>>>> currently posts to twitter. There are many of us there for both
>>>>>>>> entertainment and serious knowledge sharing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'd like to dispel the rumor that one of my great friends, who I
>>>>>>>> personally know, Chris Jones aka on twitter IPv6Freely. It is
>>>>>>>> unfortunate to that someone such as Darby with all of the clout that
>>>>>>>> he thinks he has on GS needs to berate someone for their intelligence
>>>>>>>> and success. I had read one time that Wendell Odom had taken the
>>>>>>>> CCIE
>>>>>>>> exam and pasted it after I do believe a few weeks of study. By
>>>>>>>> today's standards Wendell would be considered a cheater because he
>>>>>>>> knew what he was doing, he had industry experience and went in and
>>>>>>>> passed his test. Personally knowing Chris and having played a role
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> his mentoring, which included pushing him to go for the prize every
>>>>>>>> day, along with the training materials he was already working through
>>>>>>>> I can tell you that Chris is one of those intelligent people who
>>>>>>>> doesn't have to bother cheating or event thinking about it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> One of the great people in this space who I admire (Narbik) once said
>>>>>>>> that the CCIE is so easy its hard. Think about that because there is
>>>>>>>> truth to it. It took me three attempts to pass my exam and I know
>>>>>>>> exactly why It took me three attempts. I didnt fully read the
>>>>>>>> question put before me before making my choice on the solution. The
>>>>>>>> result was correct answers popping in my head after the fact, after I
>>>>>>>> had take the time to think about it. Some people like Chris don't
>>>>>>>> have that problem and pass their exam on the first attempt. It isn't
>>>>>>>> as if he is the only person in the world who's passed their CCIE on
>>>>>>>> the first attempt either.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What bothers many of us (and I am presumptuously speaking for people
>>>>>>>> here) is that we see some who bloat themselves up with greater
>>>>>>>> importance that is needed when they should humble themselves, put
>>>>>>>> their nose in it and get the prize. When Darby made it to twitter
>>>>>>>> most of 'us' heard on a daily basis the rantings of a person who was
>>>>>>>> about to take their test, finally the person who tried telling others
>>>>>>>> how to pass the CCIE was going to try to pass the CCIE himself. The
>>>>>>>> result was, I lost my wallet and I couldn't take the CCIE exam.
>>>>>>>> While
>>>>>>>> true, given the past it seems unlikely to many that this happened,
>>>>>>>> that what followed was rantings that made everyone confused, did he
>>>>>>>> take it and not pass, and then rantings of I'm gonna be a CCIE
>>>>>>>> proctor.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ok, I realize that we all should be worried about only one person,
>>>>>>>> Ourselves. I am guilty of this and many others are for not following
>>>>>>>> that advise. If all sides did that there would be much less problems.
>>>>>>>> What isn't fair even beyond the supposed stalking is to accuse
>>>>>>>> someone
>>>>>>>> of cheating. Maybe you don't realize that in this day the word
>>>>>>>> cheating can make or break your career. These days HR departments
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> watching your every move to see if you are really what they want in
>>>>>>>> their company. That one word can keep you making bigmacs at Mcd's
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> ever.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'd like to point out for those who don't know twitter, it is exactly
>>>>>>>> like stalking, everyone follows everyone else. If you follow someone
>>>>>>>> the intended operation of twitter puts everything that all of the
>>>>>>>> people you follow say in your timeline. That timeline is also public
>>>>>>>> domain searchable via any search engine. Until you are blocked from
>>>>>>>> following a person you are essentially stalking said person or
>>>>>>>> people. I stalk 1300~ people, and around 1100~ people stalk me back
>>>>>>>> and see every word I say.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I wish the best for those attempting the CCIE, even though you drive
>>>>>>>> me insane, you too Darby. Like the rest of us however, you need to
>>>>>>>> humble yourself, pass the test and then reap the rewards of such an
>>>>>>>> accomplishment.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best regards to all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>> Hank Yeomans
>>>>>>>> CCIE No. 21174
>>>>>>>> Cell: (619) 721-3003
>>>>>>>> hank.yeomans_at_me.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>> Hank Yeomans
>>>>>> CCIE No. 21174
>>>>>> Cell: (619) 889-5067
>>>>>> hank.yeomans_at_mac.com
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>>>> ---
>>>> Hank Yeomans
>>>> CCIE No. 21174
>>>> Cell: (619) 889-5067
>>>> hank.yeomans_at_mac.com
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>>> --
>>> Narbik Kocharians
>>> CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
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>> ---
>> Hank Yeomans
>> CCIE No. 21174
>> Cell: (619) 889-5067
>> hank.yeomans_at_mac.com
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> Narbik Kocharians
> CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
> www.MicronicsTraining.com
> Sr. Technical Instructor
> YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
> Training And Remote Racks available

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