Re: 21 days and no pass ..

I see your point. It is better to fail hudreds of honest CCIEs aspirants the
let one cheater go away...

On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 5:06 PM, Radioactive Frog <pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> <rant start>
>
> I guess, its not a papper lab anymore. \
>
> I know a fresh college student guy who have never seen or touched a real
> router in his life passed R&S lab on first attempt just using the dynamips.
> He told me that he had 7 set of R&S real lab questions and one of the set
> is
> what he got in the lab. that was exactly the same.
>
> On the good side of it is he is not able to find the job yet. Nobody is
> employing him even he has CCIE in R&S.!
>
> now what about those CCIE factories?
> Those CCIE butchers who have been selling real ccie lab questions.
> Develauting the value of it. I guess those factories must have been closed
> by now!! They're gone out of business/bankcurrupt!!
> ha.hh.ha...
>
> ***Well done Cisco**
>
> </rant over>
>
> -frog
>
> On
> Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 2:44 AM, Johnny B CCIE <jbccie_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Which is why I wonder why a current CCIE seems to have never been able
> > to pass a new revision of the CCIE Lab? If a person knows the
> > technologies how can they fail? Some of the best trainers and writers
> > for the CCIE are the ones who are failing these new labs since the 1
> > day was introduced in 2001 and again now. Why can't they pass?
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 9:59 AM, <Charles.Henson_at_regions.com> wrote:
> > > Considering I have suffered thru and failed the lab honestly I find
> that
> > > thread absolutely infuriating. I'm not calling them cheaters. But it
> > seems
> > > more an act of desperation than anything. I wish these "who'll pass
> > first"
> > > threads would go away and we can stick to the technical stuff. The
> > answers
> > > to the lab are more obvious now than ever before.
> > >
> > > 1. Know EVERYTHING on the blueprint backwards and forwards.
> > > 2. Know EVERY command and EVERY argument for that command.
> > > 3. UNDERSTAND items 1 and 2 and how they relate and function. (This is
> > key)
> > > 4. Type 125-150 wpm.
> > >
> > > PASS
> > >
> > > Charles Henson
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Johnny B CCIE <jbccie_at_gmail.com>
> > >
> > > To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > >
> > > Date: 11/09/2009 08:52 AM
> > >
> > > Subject: Re: 21 days and no pass ..
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > This is what I'd call fudge factor:
> > > http://certcollection.org/forum/thread-20816.html
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Gary Duncanson
> > > <gary.duncanson_at_googlemail.com> wrote:
> > >> Well you have a doyen Phil Remaker called in there to take a new
> format
> > > lab
> > >> getting 34 %. Did he suddenly become less capable? Of course not. It
> > > was
> > >> simply a new thing.
> > >>
> > >> I have no idea what fudge factor study aids are.
> > >>
> > >> Steller people will still pass the CCIE lab exam regardless of study
> > >> materials used because there are three things vendors cant sell you.
> > >>
> > >> 1. A good brain
> > >> 2. time
> > >> 3. experience
> > >>
> > >> 1+2+3 = Version v4 lab pass in due course.
> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johnny B CCIE" <jbccie_at_gmail.com>
> > >> To: <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> > >> Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 1:54 PM
> > >> Subject: Re: 21 days and no pass ..
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> I'm sure people are scoring better than 34%. There are just no aids
> to
> > >>> provide the extra fudge factor at the present time.
> > >>>
> > >>> http://www.groupstudy.com/archives/ccielab/200107/msg00875.html
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Gary Duncanson
> > >>> <gary.duncanson_at_googlemail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> It's not easier, if it was people would be sailing through. We
> haven't
> > >>>> suddenly run out of capable students studying properly, they are out
> > >>>> there
> > >>>> and still at it.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> It's different and that requires tactical adjustments from students
> > and
> > >>>> trainers. Certainly there are decent training materials out there
> but
> > >>>> there
> > >>>> have been for years right back to NMC.
> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johnny B CCIE" <
> jbccie_at_gmail.com>
> > >>>> To: "Cisco certification" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> > >>>> Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 1:27 PM
> > >>>> Subject: Re: 21 days and no pass ..
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Correct. If anything the lab is easier now. Only 4 points for oeq.
> > >>>>> Troubleshooting should be something we learned while doing our
> labs.
> > >>>>> The lab itself only has 5 routers now instead of six. So really it
> is
> > >>>>> easier for those who prepare well. We have the best training prep
> > >>>>> materials ever available to any ccies who ever took the lab. We
> can't
> > >>>>> ask for much more than this.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 7:52 AM, Marko Milivojevic
> > > <markom_at_ipexpert.com>
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 12:45, Johnny B CCIE <jbccie_at_gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> About 3 months of drought and 6 months for the flooding to start.
> > >>>>>>> This time it is different and there is more higher quality
> training
> > >>>>>>> material available than ever before.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> There is much bigger change this time, as the format itself is
> > >>>>>> changed. It will simply take time for people to adjust their
> > studying
> > >>>>>> method.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I wouldn't be too worried.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> --
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> > >>>>>> Senior Technical Instructor - IPexpert
> > >>>>>>
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