Re: CCIE R&S v4.0 results on as good as I hoped

I happen to find it quite oxymoronic that engineers complain about having
to be an EXPERT to pass the cisco certified internetwork EXPERT.

"Dude, you now have to know EVERYTHING on the blueprint"

:)

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Justin Mitchell <jgmitchell_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> Here is how core vs non-core topics have been explained to me by an
> individual who should know:
>
> Core topics are those that are required to build universal connectivity.
> Frame-relay, catalyst, RIP, EIGRP, OSPF, BGP and redistribution. This goes
> through section 2 on the blueprint.
>
> Everything else is non-core. I admit there are a lot non-core topics I
> consider useful to know especially sections 6 and 7.
>
> In addition to the regular R&S books I would recommend reading: Network
> Security Architectures, Designing Network Security and Router Firewall
> Security.
>
> Justin
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Paul Cosgrove <
> paul.cosgrove.groupstudy_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I doubt that is the intention. They expect you to know enough to be able
> > to get 80% of the marks, using the doc dvd or trying things and
> > troubleshooting to finally get there if necessary. Personally I think
> broad
> > is good - provided the topics being covered are representative of what
> > employers are looking for, or things that many candidates are likely to
> need
> > in their careers.
> >
> > As far as I know the blueprint did not previously designate topics as
> > core/non core, or show their associated points values; however a general
> > understanding developed amongst candidates based on the contents of
> vendor
> > practice labs (and perhaps candidates comments about the actual lab).
> >
> > So if someone previously (naively) prepared for the lab without buying
> > workbooks or receiving good advice, they might have been disappointed not
> to
> > see much of particular blueprint topics they had studied thoroughly and
> knew
> > well. That may sound stupid but for my first attempt I studied almost
> > entirely using the doc dvd and RFCs, thinking they would hold all the
> > answers (so I had a rude awakening when I found out too late that they
> did
> > not). At the time I thought that workbooks were a shortcut, just
> > summarising the doc dvd, and being younger and much more foolish, stayed
> > away from them. There were many quirky configs in the lab which would
> never
> > been seen in a live network, and perhaps they are moving slightly away
> from
> > that with the more recent tests.
> >
> > To my mind the blueprint should be the authoritative source of the
> > information, so if the v4 blueprint and balance of tested lab topics are
> now
> > more closely aligned, that sounds great. I also know from experience
> though
> > that it is difficult for candidates who enter the lab with very different
> > expectations, but you will be much better prepared the next time you go.
> >
> > Paul.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Dark Fiber <darkfiber08_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> How could anyone be a "Master" on every item in the blue print... It is
> >> way
> >> too broad...
> >>
> >> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Christopher Copley
> >> <copley.chris_at_gmail.com>wrote:
> >>
> >> > Narbik,
> >> >
> >> > I think you hit the nail right on the head! The new format will
> really
> >> > expose ANY weakness in a CCIE candidate. You really have to learn
> every
> >> > technology on the blue print and be an expert on them with out the
> >> DocCD.
> >> > Once you can do that you will be able to pass the V4 exam with no
> >> problem.
> >> > Just my 2 cents.
> >> >
> >> > Chris
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 11:13 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com
> >> > >wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Guys,
> >> > >
> >> > > I am sorry for the late reply, i am still waiting to get a flight
> back
> >> > > home.
> >> > >
> >> > > But mate you are ready when you can look at the blueprint and answer
> >> all
> >> > of
> >> > > your questions.
> >> > > I am a very conservative person, I WILL NOT take the lab unless i
> can
> >> > > answer
> >> > > all of my questions, for example, look at LDP and L3VPNs, can you
> >> close
> >> > > your
> >> > > eyes and see the commands? Can you do a "?" in your head and see all
> >> the
> >> > > options? Do you know what they are?
> >> > > I DO NOT MEAN MEMORIZE, please do not get me wrong, you should NEVER
> >> > > memorize, the only reason you will see the commands and their
> options
> >> is
> >> > > because you have configured them so many times its NOT funny. You
> >> should
> >> > > run
> >> > > IOS in your head instead of what ever it is that you are running. As
> >> long
> >> > > as
> >> > > its NOT the 12.4(15)T11 on 3725s (JK).
> >> > >
> >> > > But do you guys see what i am saying? Go through the entire
> blueprint
> >> and
> >> > > write down your weak areas, and hammer them out one by one, face
> them
> >> > head
> >> > > on.
> >> > > Sometimes to satisfy our conscience, we go out there and purchase
> >> every
> >> > > bloody book we can get our hands on, and i bet there are lot of us
> >> that
> >> > do
> >> > > that. But have we read all of them? I bet NOT even 15 percent of
> them.
> >> > > When we read a hard or a complex documentation, we normally bypass
> the
> >> > > areas
> >> > > that we do not understand, because we feel that if we don't
> understand
> >> > them
> >> > > ITS PROBABLY NOT IMPORTANT, this is the philosophy that costs us few
> >> > > retries.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Evan Weston <
> evan_weston_at_hotmail.com>
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > I'm a fan of booking a date a long way out and sticking to it, it
> >> will
> >> > > make
> >> > > > you work as hard as you need to. Just keep addressing weaknesses
> as
> >> > they
> >> > > > arise and hopefully you will peak on the week of the exam.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I booked my lab date 9 months ahead. Cancelled my social life,
> >> booked
> >> > > > Narbik's bootcamp for 4 months out and just went for it. Also do
> >> what
> >> > the
> >> > > > trainers say, for example if Narbik says to get the most out of
> his
> >> > > > workbooks "go through them at least twice and once along side with
> >> the
> >> > > > DocCD" then make a schedule and get it done. No point paying for
> >> books
> >> > if
> >> > > > you don't use them the way the author says to. Same for INE mock
> >> labs,
> >> > > aim
> >> > > > to do them in the time limit, take the same amount of time as the
> >> real
> >> > > lab,
> >> > > > treat them seriously and don't be soft on marking yourself.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
> >> Behalf
> >> > Of
> >> > > > Pach
> >> > > > Sent: Tuesday, 3 November 2009 10:18 AM
> >> > > > To: 'Justin Mitchell'; pocjamin_at_gmail.com
> >> > > > Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> >> > > > Subject: RE: CCIE R&S v4.0 results on as good as I hoped
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Those 70 days are going to come up on your fast. 'Specially with
> the
> >> > > > holidays coming up.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
> >> Behalf
> >> > Of
> >> > > > Justin Mitchell
> >> > > > Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 3:06 PM
> >> > > > To: pocjamin_at_gmail.com
> >> > > > Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> >> > > > Subject: Re: CCIE R&S v4.0 results on as good as I hoped
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I've got 70 days: January 12, 2010 in San Jose.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 5:00 PM, BPoch <pocjamin_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > When are you taking your exam?
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > > > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
> >> Behalf
> >> > > Of
> >> > > > > Justin Mitchell
> >> > > > > Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 2:23 PM
> >> > > > > To: Narbik Kocharians
> >> > > > > Cc: Nathan Richie; larryh_at_ine.com; redkidneybeans_at_gmail.com;
> >> > > > > ttuner_at_gmail.com; jbccie_at_gmail.com; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> >> > > > > Subject: Re: CCIE R&S v4.0 results on as good as I hoped
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Feeling 100% ready is a tricky thing. If I waited to feel 100%
> >> ready
> >> > to
> >> > > > > take
> >> > > > > the exam I doubt I would ever register and then would have
> second
> >> > > > thoughts
> >> > > > > when I finally did register.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Everything I have heard from the CCIEs I work with is it is as
> >> much a
> >> > > > > mental
> >> > > > > thing as anything else. To me it is just another test, albeit an
> >> > > > expensive
> >> > > > > one with an airplane ride and some delicious food in San Jose.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Justin "ready to fail the exam" Mitchell
> >> > > > > =)
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Narbik Kocharians <
> >> narbikk_at_gmail.com
> >> > >
> >> > > > > wrote:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > Nathan,
> >> > > > > > Only you know if you are ready, if you are shoot, if you are
> >> NOT,
> >> > > ONLY
> >> > > > > > register for the test when you are 100 percent ready.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > my 2 cents.
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
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