Re: CCIE R&S v4.0 results on as good as I hoped

How could anyone be a "Master" on every item in the blue print... It is way
too broad...

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Christopher Copley
<copley.chris_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> Narbik,
>
> I think you hit the nail right on the head! The new format will really
> expose ANY weakness in a CCIE candidate. You really have to learn every
> technology on the blue print and be an expert on them with out the DocCD.
> Once you can do that you will be able to pass the V4 exam with no problem.
> Just my 2 cents.
>
> Chris
>
> On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 11:13 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Guys,
> >
> > I am sorry for the late reply, i am still waiting to get a flight back
> > home.
> >
> > But mate you are ready when you can look at the blueprint and answer all
> of
> > your questions.
> > I am a very conservative person, I WILL NOT take the lab unless i can
> > answer
> > all of my questions, for example, look at LDP and L3VPNs, can you close
> > your
> > eyes and see the commands? Can you do a "?" in your head and see all the
> > options? Do you know what they are?
> > I DO NOT MEAN MEMORIZE, please do not get me wrong, you should NEVER
> > memorize, the only reason you will see the commands and their options is
> > because you have configured them so many times its NOT funny. You should
> > run
> > IOS in your head instead of what ever it is that you are running. As long
> > as
> > its NOT the 12.4(15)T11 on 3725s (JK).
> >
> > But do you guys see what i am saying? Go through the entire blueprint and
> > write down your weak areas, and hammer them out one by one, face them
> head
> > on.
> > Sometimes to satisfy our conscience, we go out there and purchase every
> > bloody book we can get our hands on, and i bet there are lot of us that
> do
> > that. But have we read all of them? I bet NOT even 15 percent of them.
> > When we read a hard or a complex documentation, we normally bypass the
> > areas
> > that we do not understand, because we feel that if we don't understand
> them
> > ITS PROBABLY NOT IMPORTANT, this is the philosophy that costs us few
> > retries.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Evan Weston <evan_weston_at_hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I'm a fan of booking a date a long way out and sticking to it, it will
> > make
> > > you work as hard as you need to. Just keep addressing weaknesses as
> they
> > > arise and hopefully you will peak on the week of the exam.
> > >
> > > I booked my lab date 9 months ahead. Cancelled my social life, booked
> > > Narbik's bootcamp for 4 months out and just went for it. Also do what
> the
> > > trainers say, for example if Narbik says to get the most out of his
> > > workbooks "go through them at least twice and once along side with the
> > > DocCD" then make a schedule and get it done. No point paying for books
> if
> > > you don't use them the way the author says to. Same for INE mock labs,
> > aim
> > > to do them in the time limit, take the same amount of time as the real
> > lab,
> > > treat them seriously and don't be soft on marking yourself.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > > Pach
> > > Sent: Tuesday, 3 November 2009 10:18 AM
> > > To: 'Justin Mitchell'; pocjamin_at_gmail.com
> > > Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: RE: CCIE R&S v4.0 results on as good as I hoped
> > >
> > > Those 70 days are going to come up on your fast. 'Specially with the
> > > holidays coming up.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > > Justin Mitchell
> > > Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 3:06 PM
> > > To: pocjamin_at_gmail.com
> > > Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: Re: CCIE R&S v4.0 results on as good as I hoped
> > >
> > > I've got 70 days: January 12, 2010 in San Jose.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 5:00 PM, BPoch <pocjamin_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > When are you taking your exam?
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> > Of
> > > > Justin Mitchell
> > > > Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 2:23 PM
> > > > To: Narbik Kocharians
> > > > Cc: Nathan Richie; larryh_at_ine.com; redkidneybeans_at_gmail.com;
> > > > ttuner_at_gmail.com; jbccie_at_gmail.com; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > > > Subject: Re: CCIE R&S v4.0 results on as good as I hoped
> > > >
> > > > Feeling 100% ready is a tricky thing. If I waited to feel 100% ready
> to
> > > > take
> > > > the exam I doubt I would ever register and then would have second
> > > thoughts
> > > > when I finally did register.
> > > >
> > > > Everything I have heard from the CCIEs I work with is it is as much a
> > > > mental
> > > > thing as anything else. To me it is just another test, albeit an
> > > expensive
> > > > one with an airplane ride and some delicious food in San Jose.
> > > >
> > > > Justin "ready to fail the exam" Mitchell
> > > > =)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Nathan,
> > > > > Only you know if you are ready, if you are shoot, if you are NOT,
> > ONLY
> > > > > register for the test when you are 100 percent ready.
> > > > >
> > > > > my 2 cents.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Nathan Richie <nathanr_at_boice.net>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Finalizing my study plans now and then will reschedule based upon
> > > that.
> > > > > I
> > > > > > do not want to lose any momentum....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for your encouragement!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Larry Hadrava [mailto:larryh_at_ine.com]
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 2:54 PM
> > > > > > To: Nathan Richie; redkidneybeans_at_gmail.com; ttuner_at_gmail.com
> > > > > > Cc: jbccie_at_gmail.com; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > > > > > Subject: RE: CCIE R&S v4.0 results on as good as I hoped
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nathan:
> > > > > > When are you going back? I'm betting on YOU!!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Larry Hadrava, Larryh_at_INE.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > CCIE #12203 (R&S)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.INE.com <http://www.ine.com/> <http://www.ine.com/>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Nathan Richie" <nathanr_at_boice.net>
> > > > > > Sent: Mon, November 2, 2009 14:37
> > > > > > Subject:RE: CCIE R&S v4.0 results on as good as I hoped
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I ain't scared! :) I am prepping for my retake of V4 and plan on
> > it
> > > > > being
> > > > > > my last
> > > > > > because I pass it!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jonny - I think it is going to take more than just the vendors
> > adding
> > > > > > troubleshooting. In fact, I felt the troubleshooting was not bad
> > at
> > > > all.
> > > > > > I missed
> > > > > > it because of a weak area, but otherwise felt it was very doable.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think that Cisco is going to have to back off the configuration
> > > some
> > > > > and
> > > > > > that we,
> > > > > > the v4 candidates, are going to have to be rock solid in our
> > > > > configuration
> > > > > > ability
> > > > > > with little to no help from the Doc CD lifeline. At some point,
> > the
> > > 2
> > > > > > shall come
> > > > > > together and we will see a v4 CCIE! Just my opinion though.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Any gamblers on here? Anybody want to bet on when we will see
> the
> > > > first
> > > > > > v4 CCIE?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nathan Richie
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
> > Behalf
> > > > Of
> > > > > > Jonny English
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 4:34 PM
> > > > > > To: JR Garcia
> > > > > > Cc: Johnny B CCIE; groupstudy
> > > > > > Subject: Re: CCIE R&S v4.0 results on as good as I hoped
> > > > > >
> > > > > > everyone should still remember the lab is still new.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Chris -- sorry to hear you didn't pass the lab. At least you are
> > > > changing
> > > > > > focus and going to abapt your study for the new format. Try to
> stay
> > > as
> > > > > > positive as you can and think about what you can do to beat this
> > > thing
> > > > > next
> > > > > > time.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think once the training vendors come out with labs or people
> > start
> > > > > > changing the study stucture to include troubleshooting we will
> > start
> > > to
> > > > > see
> > > > > > people passing.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 8:51 AM, JR Garcia <ttuner_at_gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > yeah i sure as hell wont take it until i start seeing some
> > success
> > > > > > stories.
> > > > > > > i think it will just take a while for everyone (including
> > training
> > > > > > vendors)
> > > > > > > to shift their focus.
> > > > > > >
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