Re: OT - V4, week 1, no new CCIEs?

Great ideas guy!

On 10/30/09, Routt, Rob <Rob.Routt_at_itron.com> wrote:
> I tell you what, written every 3 and lab-sim every 5, lower the cost to
> $300, and let me take it at VUE for say a 5 hour hands-on. That would
> definitely sell a lot of workbooks and keep the IE population on its
> toes and current; thereby topping any cert in the world in
> value(definitively). The thing that has to happen is that Cisco, VUE, or
> whomever would have to verify the integrity of the labs or set-up 1,000
> or so scenarios/labs. Who could memorize all of those if compromised?
> Then, it changes more frequently too, no need to wait 3 years to add
> MPLS or take away old technologies. That would take a lot of commitment
> from Cisco I think, but it would also almost guarantee the integrity of
> the exam. Difficult, PIA, not reasonable, agreed.
>
> I should get back to studying...
>
> -R
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Atlanta CCIE
> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 6:53 AM
> To: Charles.Henson_at_regions.com; Radioactive Frog; Brad Ellis; Cisco
> certification; nobody_at_groupstudy.com; omar parihuana; Roy Waterman;
> Smooth IE
> Subject: Re: OT - V4, week 1, no new CCIEs?
>
> Take out the luck factor aka OEQs and we have 6 hours for config part.
> I just HOPE they keep changing the stuff otherwise we will be in the
> same situation.
>
> Also - let's remove the thing about recert with written. Every three
> years you MUST pass ANY ccie track's lab to recert. Now THAT will be
> something :)
>
> On 10/30/09, Charles.Henson_at_regions.com <Charles.Henson_at_regions.com>
> wrote:
>> Yeah I saw that. I was thinking about going back at the end of the
>> year but I think I might need to re-focus on a few things.
>> ALL-FROM-NJs thread definitely was a good write-up and has me
> thinking....
>>
>> Charles Henson
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Radioactive Frog <pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com>
>>
>>
>> To: Atlanta CCIE <atlantaccie_at_gmail.com>
>>
>>
>> Cc: omar parihuana <omar.parihuana_at_gmail.com>, Roy Waterman
>> <roy.waterman_at_gmail.com>, Brad Ellis
>> <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com>, Smooth IE
>> <smoothccie_at_googlemail.com>, Cisco certification
>> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>>
>>
>> Date: 10/30/2009 07:05 AM
>>
>>
>> Subject: Re: OT - V4, week 1, no new CCIEs?
>>
>>
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>>
>>
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>>
>> looks like when lab changes it has a good effect :)
>>
>> 32 days and only 6 voice ccie ?
>>
>> *CCIE Count Change by Country*
>> [image: CCIE Count Change by
>> Country]<
>> http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/le3/ccie/certified_ccies/worldwide.h
>> tml>
>> Source: Dual CCIE #18532 George Morton
>> <http://www.madisonsolutions.net/>
>>
>> Growth of the China CCIE count goes negative by -9
>> http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/46893
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Atlanta CCIE
>> <atlantaccie_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I hear you. My point was that you only had to CONFIGURE 59 points
>>> worth
>> of
>>> tasks to pass ASSUMING you got 21 on the OEQs. Before folks had to
>>> CONFIGURE 80 points worth of tasks :) Thats all.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 7:01 PM, omar parihuana
>>> <omar.parihuana_at_gmail.com
>>> >wrote:
>>>
>>> > hahaha... sorry guy but many people din't pass between Feb and
> Oct...
>>> and
>>> > after OEQ introduction IMHO the lab exam wasn't ever a fair game...
>
>>> > if
>>> you
>>> > got 100% in lab sectio and fail at least 2/4 in OEQ you failed.. so
>
>>> > why
>>> the
>>> > "easiest of rides"?... if you weren't able to answer 3/4 OEQ game
>>> > over!! have you asked somebody who took the exam before Feb and
>>> > retook between Feb-Oct if the lab exam was more difficult before
>>> > Feb,
>> and
>>> > easy after Feb?
>>> >
>>> > RGds.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Atlanta CCIE
>>> ><atlantaccie_at_gmail.com
>>> >wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> So it appears that anyone who passed during Feb 2009 - Oct 18th
>>> >> 2009
>> had
>>> >> the
>>> >> easiest of rides............. 21 Points and get 59 points on the
>>> >> lab
>> and
>>> >> you
>>> >> are set. I have heard stories where folks were done by 12pm :D
>>> >>
>>> >> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Roy Waterman
>>> >> <roy.waterman_at_gmail.com
>>> >> >wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > Hi Brad
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Based on this fact, if the situation were to continue with some
>>> >> > more
>>> >> weeks
>>> >> > passing with noone or a couple of ppl passing, would Cisco be
>> looking
>>> to
>>> >> > make appropriate changes so that people who do know their stuff
>>> >> > are
>>> able
>>> >> to
>>> >> > have a decent chance of passing?
>>> >> > From reports, it does appear to me that running out of time is a
>> much
>>> >> > bigger
>>> >> > problem than it was in v3.
>>> >> > It appears that:
>>> >> > - there isnt time to go back over your work to verify
>>> >> > - there isnt time to diagram or read the lab
>>> >> > - there isnt time to go back over questions you may have got
>>> >> > stuck
>> on
>>> >> > earlier
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Just curious as to whether you know if Cisco are happy with
>>> >> > things
>> as
>>> >> they
>>> >> > are, and intend to keep them that way, & also whether they
>>> >> > intend to
>>> act
>>> >> > upon what certain ppl who took the beta lab had to say (one of
>>> >> > which
>>> was
>>> >> > time ;))
>>> >> >
>>> >> > 2009/10/27 Brad Ellis <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com>
>>> >> >
>>> >> > > It's confirmed: as of yesterday, no one has passed the new
>>> >> > > CCIE
>> R&S
>>> >> lab
>>> >> > > exam. Some people have passed certain parts, but no one has
>>> >> > > passed
>>> all
>>> >> > > three parts - at least yet!
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > thanks,
>>> >> > > Brad Ellis
>>> >> > > CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
>>> >> > > CCSI# 30482
>>> >> > > CEO / President
>>> >> > > CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP)
>>> >> > > Email: brad_at_ccbootcamp.com
>>> >> > > Toll Free: 877-654-2243
>>> >> > > International: +1-702-968-5100
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>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > -----Original Message-----
>>> >> > > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
>>> Behalf
>>> >> Of
>>> >> > > Smooth IE
>>> >> > > Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 2:19 PM
>>> >> > > To: Cisco certification
>>> >> > > Subject: Re: OT - V4, week 1, no new CCIEs?
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > my friend claims to have passed last week. not sure of any
>>> >> > > more
>>> >> details
>>> >> > > other than taht yet.
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > 2009/10/26 Brad Ellis <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com>
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > > Im at building C in SJ right now. Based on the # of people
>> waiting
>>> >> (or
>>> >> > > > lack there of) for the proctor this morning, I'd venture to
>>> >> > > > say
>>> >> > > there's
>>> >> > > > a LOT of capacity for the R&S exam right now. I usually see
>>> >> > > > 10+
>>> >> people
>>> >> > > > waiting in the Building C lobby at 8.10am. Today, there were
>> only
>>> >> four
>>> >> > > > total!
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > thanks,
>>> >> > > > Brad Ellis
>>> >> > > > CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
>>> >> > > > CCSI# 30482
>>> >> > > > CEO / President
>>> >> > > > CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP)
>>> >> > > > Email: brad_at_ccbootcamp.com
>>> >> > > > Toll Free: 877-654-2243
>>> >> > > > International: +1-702-968-5100
>>> >> > > > Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call
>>> >> > > > FAX: +1-702-446-8012
>>> >> > > > YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
>>> >> > > > Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > -----Original Message-----
>>> >> > > > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com]
>>> >> > > > On
>>> >> Behalf
>>> >> > > Of
>>> >> > > > Jonny English
>>> >> > > > Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 11:05 AM
>>> >> > > > To: Rick Mur
>>> >> > > > Cc: Vibeesh S; Atlanta CCIE; Hammer; Cisco certification
>>> >> > > > Subject: Re: OT - V4, week 1, no new CCIEs?
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > last week someone said testing centers were full.....
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 2:17 AM, Rick Mur
>>> >> > > > <rmur_at_ipexpert.com>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > > I also think that the test centers were really empty the
>>> >> > > > > last
>>> >> week.
>>> >> > > I
>>> >> > > > think
>>> >> > > > > people are quite scared of the new lab format and wait on
>>> >> > > > > the
>>> >> first
>>> >> > > > > responses :-)
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > > > --
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > > > Regards,
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > > > Rick Mur
>>> >> > > > > CCIE2 #21946 (R&S / Service Provider)
>>> >> > > > > Sr. Support Engineer IPexpert, Inc.
>>> >> > > > > URL: http://www.IPexpert.com <http://www.ipexpert.com/>
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > > > On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Vibeesh S
>> <vibselva_at_gmail.com>
>>> >> > > wrote:
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > > >> I don't think many would have taken the lab in the first
>>> >> > > > >> week
>>> >> after
>>> >> > > > >> change.
>>> >> > > > >>
>>> >> > > > >> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Atlanta CCIE
>>> >> > > <atlantaccie_at_gmail.com>
>>> >> > > > >> wrote:
>>> >> > > > >>
>>> >> > > > >> > Sucks for the people of the 3rd world countries. Oh
>>> >> > > > >> > wait
>>> until
>>> >> > > > things
>>> >> > > > >> > start leaking out of china and india and may be dubai
>>> >> > > > >> > :)
>>> >> > > > >> >
>>> >> > > > >> > On 10/26/09, Jonny English <redkidneybeans_at_gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> >> > > > >> > > not everyone posts on GS. So who knows, someone might
>> have
>>> >> > > > passed.
>>> >> > > > >> > >
>>> >> > > > >> > > On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Hammer
>> <bhmccie_at_gmail.com
>>> >
>>> >> > > > wrote:
>>> >> > > > >> > >
>>> >> > > > >> > >> OK, It's been a week. Did ANYONE pass the lab or
>>> >> > > > >> > >> hear of
>>> >> > > anyone
>>> >> > > > >> passing
>>> >> > > > >> > >> the
>>> >> > > > >> > >> first week? NO, I did not expect it. I was just
> curious.
>>> >> We've
>>> >> > > > >> certainly
>>> >> > > > >> > >> seen the comments from those that visited the labs
>>> >> > > > >> > >> this
>>> >> week.
>>> >> > > > Nothing
>>> >> > > > >> in
>>> >> > > > >> > >> their comments made me feel good but we all know
>>> >> > > > >> > >> that
>>> Cisco
>>> >> > > > needs
>>> >> > > > >> some
>>> >> > > > >> > >> time
>>> >> > > > >> > >> to burn in the new setup.
>>> >> > > > >> > >>
>>> >> > > > >> > >> Back to BGP.....
>>> >> > > > >> > >>
>>> >> > > > >> > >> -Hammer
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