Re: OT - V4, week 1, no new CCIEs?

Take out the luck factor aka OEQs and we have 6 hours for config part.
I just HOPE they keep changing the stuff otherwise we will be in the
same situation.

Also - let's remove the thing about recert with written. Every three
years you MUST pass ANY ccie track's lab to recert. Now THAT will be
something :)

On 10/30/09, Charles.Henson_at_regions.com <Charles.Henson_at_regions.com> wrote:
> Yeah I saw that. I was thinking about going back at the end of the year but
> I think I might need to re-focus on a few things. ALL-FROM-NJs thread
> definitely was a good write-up and has me thinking....
>
> Charles Henson
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> From: Radioactive Frog <pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com>
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> To: Atlanta CCIE <atlantaccie_at_gmail.com>
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> Cc: omar parihuana <omar.parihuana_at_gmail.com>, Roy Waterman
> <roy.waterman_at_gmail.com>, Brad Ellis
> <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com>, Smooth IE <smoothccie_at_googlemail.com>,
> Cisco certification
> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
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> Date: 10/30/2009 07:05 AM
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> Subject: Re: OT - V4, week 1, no new CCIEs?
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> looks like when lab changes it has a good effect :)
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> 32 days and only 6 voice ccie ?
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> *CCIE Count Change by Country*
> [image: CCIE Count Change by
> Country]<
> http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/le3/ccie/certified_ccies/worldwide.html>
> Source: Dual CCIE #18532 George Morton <http://www.madisonsolutions.net/>
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> Growth of the China CCIE count goes negative by -9
> http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/46893
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> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Atlanta CCIE
> <atlantaccie_at_gmail.com>wrote:
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>> I hear you. My point was that you only had to CONFIGURE 59 points worth
> of
>> tasks to pass ASSUMING you got 21 on the OEQs. Before folks had to
>> CONFIGURE
>> 80 points worth of tasks :) Thats all.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 7:01 PM, omar parihuana <omar.parihuana_at_gmail.com
>> >wrote:
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>> > hahaha... sorry guy but many people din't pass between Feb and Oct...
>> and
>> > after OEQ introduction IMHO the lab exam wasn't ever a fair game... if
>> you
>> > got 100% in lab sectio and fail at least 2/4 in OEQ you failed.. so why
>> the
>> > "easiest of rides"?... if you weren't able to answer 3/4 OEQ game
>> > over!! have you asked somebody who took the exam before Feb and
>> > retook between Feb-Oct if the lab exam was more difficult before Feb,
> and
>> > easy after Feb?
>> >
>> > RGds.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Atlanta CCIE <atlantaccie_at_gmail.com
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> So it appears that anyone who passed during Feb 2009 - Oct 18th 2009
> had
>> >> the
>> >> easiest of rides............. 21 Points and get 59 points on the lab
> and
>> >> you
>> >> are set. I have heard stories where folks were done by 12pm :D
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Roy Waterman <roy.waterman_at_gmail.com
>> >> >wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Hi Brad
>> >> >
>> >> > Based on this fact, if the situation were to continue with some more
>> >> weeks
>> >> > passing with noone or a couple of ppl passing, would Cisco be
> looking
>> to
>> >> > make appropriate changes so that people who do know their stuff are
>> able
>> >> to
>> >> > have a decent chance of passing?
>> >> > From reports, it does appear to me that running out of time is a
> much
>> >> > bigger
>> >> > problem than it was in v3.
>> >> > It appears that:
>> >> > - there isnt time to go back over your work to verify
>> >> > - there isnt time to diagram or read the lab
>> >> > - there isnt time to go back over questions you may have got stuck
> on
>> >> > earlier
>> >> >
>> >> > Just curious as to whether you know if Cisco are happy with things
> as
>> >> they
>> >> > are, and intend to keep them that way, & also whether they intend to
>> act
>> >> > upon what certain ppl who took the beta lab had to say (one of which
>> was
>> >> > time ;))
>> >> >
>> >> > 2009/10/27 Brad Ellis <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com>
>> >> >
>> >> > > It's confirmed: as of yesterday, no one has passed the new CCIE
> R&S
>> >> lab
>> >> > > exam. Some people have passed certain parts, but no one has passed
>> all
>> >> > > three parts - at least yet!
>> >> > >
>> >> > > thanks,
>> >> > > Brad Ellis
>> >> > > CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
>> >> > > CCSI# 30482
>> >> > > CEO / President
>> >> > > CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP)
>> >> > > Email: brad_at_ccbootcamp.com
>> >> > > Toll Free: 877-654-2243
>> >> > > International: +1-702-968-5100
>> >> > > Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call
>> >> > > FAX: +1-702-446-8012
>> >> > > YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
>> >> > > Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
>> Behalf
>> >> Of
>> >> > > Smooth IE
>> >> > > Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 2:19 PM
>> >> > > To: Cisco certification
>> >> > > Subject: Re: OT - V4, week 1, no new CCIEs?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > my friend claims to have passed last week. not sure of any more
>> >> details
>> >> > > other than taht yet.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > 2009/10/26 Brad Ellis <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com>
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > Im at building C in SJ right now. Based on the # of people
> waiting
>> >> (or
>> >> > > > lack there of) for the proctor this morning, I'd venture to say
>> >> > > there's
>> >> > > > a LOT of capacity for the R&S exam right now. I usually see 10+
>> >> people
>> >> > > > waiting in the Building C lobby at 8.10am. Today, there were
> only
>> >> four
>> >> > > > total!
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > thanks,
>> >> > > > Brad Ellis
>> >> > > > CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
>> >> > > > CCSI# 30482
>> >> > > > CEO / President
>> >> > > > CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP)
>> >> > > > Email: brad_at_ccbootcamp.com
>> >> > > > Toll Free: 877-654-2243
>> >> > > > International: +1-702-968-5100
>> >> > > > Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call
>> >> > > > FAX: +1-702-446-8012
>> >> > > > YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
>> >> > > > Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > > > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
>> >> Behalf
>> >> > > Of
>> >> > > > Jonny English
>> >> > > > Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 11:05 AM
>> >> > > > To: Rick Mur
>> >> > > > Cc: Vibeesh S; Atlanta CCIE; Hammer; Cisco certification
>> >> > > > Subject: Re: OT - V4, week 1, no new CCIEs?
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > last week someone said testing centers were full.....
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 2:17 AM, Rick Mur <rmur_at_ipexpert.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > > I also think that the test centers were really empty the last
>> >> week.
>> >> > > I
>> >> > > > think
>> >> > > > > people are quite scared of the new lab format and wait on the
>> >> first
>> >> > > > > responses :-)
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > --
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > Regards,
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > Rick Mur
>> >> > > > > CCIE2 #21946 (R&S / Service Provider)
>> >> > > > > Sr. Support Engineer IPexpert, Inc.
>> >> > > > > URL: http://www.IPexpert.com <http://www.ipexpert.com/>
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Vibeesh S
> <vibselva_at_gmail.com>
>> >> > > wrote:
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > >> I don't think many would have taken the lab in the first week
>> >> after
>> >> > > > >> change.
>> >> > > > >>
>> >> > > > >> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Atlanta CCIE
>> >> > > <atlantaccie_at_gmail.com>
>> >> > > > >> wrote:
>> >> > > > >>
>> >> > > > >> > Sucks for the people of the 3rd world countries. Oh wait
>> until
>> >> > > > things
>> >> > > > >> > start leaking out of china and india and may be dubai :)
>> >> > > > >> >
>> >> > > > >> > On 10/26/09, Jonny English <redkidneybeans_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> >> > > > >> > > not everyone posts on GS. So who knows, someone might
> have
>> >> > > > passed.
>> >> > > > >> > >
>> >> > > > >> > > On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Hammer
> <bhmccie_at_gmail.com
>> >
>> >> > > > wrote:
>> >> > > > >> > >
>> >> > > > >> > >> OK, It's been a week. Did ANYONE pass the lab or hear of
>> >> > > anyone
>> >> > > > >> passing
>> >> > > > >> > >> the
>> >> > > > >> > >> first week? NO, I did not expect it. I was just curious.
>> >> We've
>> >> > > > >> certainly
>> >> > > > >> > >> seen the comments from those that visited the labs this
>> >> week.
>> >> > > > Nothing
>> >> > > > >> in
>> >> > > > >> > >> their comments made me feel good but we all know that
>> Cisco
>> >> > > > needs
>> >> > > > >> some
>> >> > > > >> > >> time
>> >> > > > >> > >> to burn in the new setup.
>> >> > > > >> > >>
>> >> > > > >> > >> Back to BGP.....
>> >> > > > >> > >>
>> >> > > > >> > >> -Hammer
>> >> > > > >> > >>
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