RE: Anyone ever take a Hienz Ulm class?

I didn't mean what I said as any sort of condemnation. It really is just
chatter. I think all the trainers here are former or current
engineers/consultants. I get alot of blanket advertisements and spam from
some of the other groups I belong to so it really is remarkable that the
people who are advocating one product or another have not ruined it as
they have so many other lists. Sorry if I sounded harsh. I think I've
been studying too much lately.

From:
Dawn Tesar <dawn_at_ccbootcamp.com>
To:
<Keegan.Holley_at_sungard.com>
Cc:
"Brad Ellis" <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com>, "Cisco certification"
<ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>, "Wayne Lawson" <groupstudy_at_ipexpert.com>, "mark
jackson" <markcciejackson_at_gmail.com>, "Narbik Kocharians"
<narbikk_at_gmail.com>, <nobody_at_groupstudy.com>, <smorris_at_ine.com>, "JR
Garcia" <ttuner_at_gmail.com>
Date:
10/27/2009 08:40 PM
Subject:
RE: Anyone ever take a Hienz Ulm class?
Sent by:
<nobody_at_groupstudy.com>

Sorry if sales chatter lightens the day for me...us... BUT I AM studying
for my CCIE and use this forum for what it offers. There is great info
here and that is the focus. I hope to have numbers after my name some
day!! And I need all the CCIE RS training help I can get.

Thanks,

Dawn Tesar

From: Keegan.Holley_at_sungard.com [mailto:Keegan.Holley_at_sungard.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 5:15 PM
To: Dawn Tesar
Cc: Brad Ellis; Cisco certification; Wayne Lawson; mark jackson; Narbik
Kocharians; nobody_at_groupstudy.com; smorris_at_ine.com; JR Garcia
Subject: RE: Anyone ever take a Hienz Ulm class?

It never ceases to amaze me how we manage to keep the sales chatter here
just below the threshold of annoying after all these years.

Keegan

From:

Dawn Tesar <dawn_at_ccbootcamp.com>

To:

"Wayne Lawson" <groupstudy_at_ipexpert.com>, "Narbik Kocharians"
<narbikk_at_gmail.com>

Cc:

"mark jackson" <markcciejackson_at_gmail.com>, <smorris_at_ine.com>, "Brad
Ellis" <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com>, "JR Garcia" <ttuner_at_gmail.com>, "Cisco
certification" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>

Date:

10/27/2009 08:12 PM

Subject:

RE: Anyone ever take a Hienz Ulm class?

Sent by:

<nobody_at_groupstudy.com>

________________________________

Well if you call limited time a year from now then OK but please if
something is working why would it go away. Also... you can sign up now
and you do not have to use that free retake within the promo period.
HMMMM choices....

FREE Retake - YES
FREE content updates - YES (if needed - see below)

Let's focus on the technical aspects of this program instead of the
pretty part - that is why we are all here. The content is perfectly
aligned and targeted to the blueprint - I imagine if a company is
publishing an update - there is something inconsistent in the content
and it needs to be changed. Shouldn't it be right in the first place?

Here's another point - since the program is targeted - it is designed to
get you through your CCIE in LESS than a year. Your CCIE shouldn't take
your life away.

FYI - I will match IPE course prices... :)

Thanks,
Dawn Tesar
Toll Free 1.877.654.2243 Intl +1.702.968.5100 Fax 702.446.0357 Skype
skype:ccbootcamp?call
Email dawn_at_ccbootcamp.com

CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP) , Cisco Premier
Channel Partner
Yes! We take Cisco Learning Credits

-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Lawson [mailto:groupstudy_at_ipexpert.com
<mailto:groupstudy_at_ipexpert.com> ]
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 4:42 PM
To: Narbik Kocharians
Cc: Dawn Tesar; mark jackson; smorris_at_ine.com; Brad Ellis; JR Garcia;
Cisco certification
Subject: Re: Anyone ever take a Hienz Ulm class?

Dawn -

     If a 360 student fails - they get a retake of the lab for free
(correct me if I'm wrong - but that's a "limited time only" offer -
and will be going away soon). However, if they don't pass - they
obviously need additional assistance or training - so I'm wondering if
there are free retakes for 360 students (and are there free updates to
materials if / when the blueprint changes?.....I honestly don't know
the answer - if so - (if 360 students get a free retake in a class)
that's awesome! If not - the second lab attempt could be
worthless...unless - of course - they buy another product (maybe grey
market) to get the over that hump.... ;-). (kidding - of course!)

     Also - I'd have to argue that some grey market options are
cheaper - your assumption that the 2 options (360 vs non-360) cost the
same is not accurate.

Regards,

Wayne A. Lawson II - CCIE #5244
Founder & President - IPexpert
Mailto: wlawson_at_ipexpert.com
Telephone: +1.810.326.1444, ext. 701
Live Assistance, Please visit: www.ipexpert.com/chat
eFax: +1.810.454.0130

::Message sent from iPhone::

On Oct 27, 2009, at 7:01 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
wrote:

> Well said. How could one even think about grey market?
>
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Dawn Tesar <dawn_at_ccbootcamp.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Actually... take it from someone who knows the Cisco 360 Program -
>> you only
>> have to buy a single class and a graded assessment to be a part of
>> the Cisco
>> Lab Safe. :)
>>
>> Well worth the protection. And it doesn't cost a cent more than grey
>> market. HMMMM... what would I choose?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dawn Tesar | Director, Sales and Marketing | CCBOOTCAMP
>> 375 N. Stephanie Street Bldg. 21 Suite 2111, Henderson, Nevada 89014
>> Toll Free 1.877.654.2243 Intl +1.702.968.5100 Fax 702.446.0357
>> Skype
>> skype:ccbootcamp?call
>> Email dawn_at_ccbootcamp.com
>>
>> CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP) , Cisco Premier
>> Channel Partner
>> Yes! We take Cisco Learning Credits
>> CompTIA Learning Alliance Partner
>> GSA Schedule 70 Contractor #GS-35F-0044V
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mark jackson [mailto:markcciejackson_at_gmail.com
<mailto:markcciejackson_at_gmail.com> ]
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 3:25 PM
>> To: smorris_at_ine.com
>> Cc: Brad Ellis; JR Garcia; Cisco certification; Dawn Tesar
>> Subject: Re: Anyone ever take a Hienz Ulm class?
>>
>> ...mental note made ;-)
>>
>> Mark Jackson, CCIE#4736
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> Please excuse spelling errors
>>
>> On Oct 27, 2009, at 3:21 PM, Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com> wrote:
>>
>>> hehehehe... While that made me laugh out loud, I'd still at least
>>> caution that it's not the WHOLE story.
>>>
>>> You have to purchase several other things to be part of the Cisco
>>> Safe
>>> Lab program.
>>>
>>> So I think you have to BUY the screwdriver set in order to get the
>>> special case.
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> mark jackson wrote:
>>>> ...but wait there's more! Act now and receive absolutely free, this
>>>> free screwdriver set.
>>>> Sorry, could resist (hehe)
>>>> All great people JR and well worth looking at ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Mark Jackson, CCIE#4736
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> Please excuse spelling errors
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 27, 2009, at 2:42 PM, "Brad Ellis" <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> JR,
>>>>>
>>>>> If you book your class with CCBOOTCAMP (my company), you will
>>>>> get a
>>>>> free
>>>>> retake of not only our class, but if you fail your lab exam, with
>>>>> the
>>>>> Cisco 360 lab safe program, you will also get a free retake of the
>>>>> lab
>>>>> exam as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks,
>>>>> Brad Ellis
>>>>> CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
>>>>> CCSI# 30482
>>>>> CEO / President
>>>>> CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP)
>>>>> Email: brad_at_ccbootcamp.com
>>>>> Toll Free: 877-654-2243
>>>>> International: +1-702-968-5100
>>>>> Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call
>>>>> FAX: +1-702-446-8012
>>>>> YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
>>>>> Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com
<http://www.ccbootcamp.com/>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com
<mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com> ] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of
>>>>> JR Garcia
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 11:40 AM
>>>>> To: Cisco certification
>>>>> Subject: Anyone ever take a Hienz Ulm class?
>>>>>
>>>>> was looking at taking a class spring 2010 before making an attempt
>>>>> at
>>>>> the
>>>>> lab.
>>>>> has any one ever attended one of his classes? the other vendors
>>>>> offer a
>>>>> lab/lecture type class, but i really don't want any lecture. i can
>>>>> read
>>>>> and
>>>>> watch videos on my own time to learn the technologies.
>>>>>
>>>>> leaving home for 3 weeks with no distractions and just configuring
>>>>> everyday
>>>>> with someone there to give guidance is really appealing to me.
>>>>> seems
>>>>> like a
>>>>> good way to finish up studying before an attempt. i haven't been
>>>>> able
>>>>> to
>>>>> find any reviews out there so i figured id try here.
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
<http://www.ccie.net/>
>>>>>
>>>>>
Received on Tue Oct 27 2009 - 21:09:48 ART