Re: Anyone ever take a Hienz Ulm class?

The last line (FYI - I will match IPE course prices) is the reason why I am
starting to shy away from this list again.
When we start turning it into a 'selling' sessions (which Wayne's company or
team have not), we start to lose. And by we, I mean the up and coming folks
who are watching this bickering play out while they are trying to learn. Not
to mention make an educated choice on a certification vendor.
Just my .2 cents. My famous line, take it offline...

On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Dawn Tesar <dawn_at_ccbootcamp.com> wrote:

> Well if you call limited time a year from now then OK but please if
> something is working why would it go away. Also... you can sign up now and
> you do not have to use that free retake within the promo period. HMMMM
> choices....
>
> FREE Retake - YES
> FREE content updates - YES (if needed - see below)
>
> Let's focus on the technical aspects of this program instead of the pretty
> part - that is why we are all here. The content is perfectly aligned and
> targeted to the blueprint - I imagine if a company is publishing an update -
> there is something inconsistent in the content and it needs to be changed.
> Shouldn't it be right in the first place?
>
> Here's another point - since the program is targeted - it is designed to
> get you through your CCIE in LESS than a year. Your CCIE shouldn't take your
> life away.
>
> FYI - I will match IPE course prices... :)
>
> Thanks,
> Dawn Tesar
> Toll Free 1.877.654.2243 Intl +1.702.968.5100 Fax 702.446.0357 Skype
> skype:ccbootcamp?call
> Email dawn_at_ccbootcamp.com
>
> CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP) , Cisco Premier
> Channel Partner
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wayne Lawson [mailto:groupstudy_at_ipexpert.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 4:42 PM
> To: Narbik Kocharians
> Cc: Dawn Tesar; mark jackson; smorris_at_ine.com; Brad Ellis; JR Garcia;
> Cisco certification
> Subject: Re: Anyone ever take a Hienz Ulm class?
>
> Dawn -
>
> If a 360 student fails - they get a retake of the lab for free
> (correct me if I'm wrong - but that's a "limited time only" offer -
> and will be going away soon). However, if they don't pass - they
> obviously need additional assistance or training - so I'm wondering if
> there are free retakes for 360 students (and are there free updates to
> materials if / when the blueprint changes?.....I honestly don't know
> the answer - if so - (if 360 students get a free retake in a class)
> that's awesome! If not - the second lab attempt could be
> worthless...unless - of course - they buy another product (maybe grey
> market) to get the over that hump.... ;-). (kidding - of course!)
>
> Also - I'd have to argue that some grey market options are
> cheaper - your assumption that the 2 options (360 vs non-360) cost the
> same is not accurate.
>
> Regards,
>
> Wayne A. Lawson II - CCIE #5244
> Founder & President - IPexpert
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> ::Message sent from iPhone::
>
>
> On Oct 27, 2009, at 7:01 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Well said. How could one even think about grey market?
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Dawn Tesar <dawn_at_ccbootcamp.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Actually... take it from someone who knows the Cisco 360 Program -
> >> you only
> >> have to buy a single class and a graded assessment to be a part of
> >> the Cisco
> >> Lab Safe. :)
> >>
> >> Well worth the protection. And it doesn't cost a cent more than grey
> >> market. HMMMM... what would I choose?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Dawn Tesar | Director, Sales and Marketing | CCBOOTCAMP
> >> 375 N. Stephanie Street Bldg. 21 Suite 2111, Henderson, Nevada 89014
> >> Toll Free 1.877.654.2243 Intl +1.702.968.5100 Fax 702.446.0357
> >> Skype
> >> skype:ccbootcamp?call
> >> Email dawn_at_ccbootcamp.com
> >>
> >> CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP) , Cisco Premier
> >> Channel Partner
> >> Yes! We take Cisco Learning Credits
> >> CompTIA Learning Alliance Partner
> >> GSA Schedule 70 Contractor #GS-35F-0044V
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: mark jackson [mailto:markcciejackson_at_gmail.com]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 3:25 PM
> >> To: smorris_at_ine.com
> >> Cc: Brad Ellis; JR Garcia; Cisco certification; Dawn Tesar
> >> Subject: Re: Anyone ever take a Hienz Ulm class?
> >>
> >> ...mental note made ;-)
> >>
> >> Mark Jackson, CCIE#4736
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> Please excuse spelling errors
> >>
> >> On Oct 27, 2009, at 3:21 PM, Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> hehehehe... While that made me laugh out loud, I'd still at least
> >>> caution that it's not the WHOLE story.
> >>>
> >>> You have to purchase several other things to be part of the Cisco
> >>> Safe
> >>> Lab program.
> >>>
> >>> So I think you have to BUY the screwdriver set in order to get the
> >>> special case.
> >>>
> >>> Scott
> >>>
> >>> mark jackson wrote:
> >>>> ...but wait there's more! Act now and receive absolutely free, this
> >>>> free screwdriver set.
> >>>> Sorry, could resist (hehe)
> >>>> All great people JR and well worth looking at ;-)
> >>>>
> >>>> Mark Jackson, CCIE#4736
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>> Please excuse spelling errors
> >>>>
> >>>> On Oct 27, 2009, at 2:42 PM, "Brad Ellis" <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> JR,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you book your class with CCBOOTCAMP (my company), you will
> >>>>> get a
> >>>>> free
> >>>>> retake of not only our class, but if you fail your lab exam, with
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> Cisco 360 lab safe program, you will also get a free retake of the
> >>>>> lab
> >>>>> exam as well.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> thanks,
> >>>>> Brad Ellis
> >>>>> CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
> >>>>> CCSI# 30482
> >>>>> CEO / President
> >>>>> CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP)
> >>>>> Email: brad_at_ccbootcamp.com
> >>>>> Toll Free: 877-654-2243
> >>>>> International: +1-702-968-5100
> >>>>> Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call
> >>>>> FAX: +1-702-446-8012
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> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
> >>>>> Behalf
> >>>>> Of
> >>>>> JR Garcia
> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 11:40 AM
> >>>>> To: Cisco certification
> >>>>> Subject: Anyone ever take a Hienz Ulm class?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> was looking at taking a class spring 2010 before making an attempt
> >>>>> at
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> lab.
> >>>>> has any one ever attended one of his classes? the other vendors
> >>>>> offer a
> >>>>> lab/lecture type class, but i really don't want any lecture. i can
> >>>>> read
> >>>>> and
> >>>>> watch videos on my own time to learn the technologies.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> leaving home for 3 weeks with no distractions and just configuring
> >>>>> everyday
> >>>>> with someone there to give guidance is really appealing to me.
> >>>>> seems
> >>>>> like a
> >>>>> good way to finish up studying before an attempt. i haven't been
> >>>>> able
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> find any reviews out there so i figured id try here.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> thanks
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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