RE: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No.

Any news from Michael and Rene ? I'm very curious about their stories.

Thanks.

Regards,

Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S)
amsoares_at_netcabo.pt

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Mur [mailto:rmur_at_ipexpert.com]
Sent: domingo, 25 de Outubro de 2009 13:11
To: Marc La Porte
Cc: Antonio Soares; Ryan West; mark jackson; Tony Varriale; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No.

I'll ask Michael as well. I work with him. Funny, didn't ever pay attention to those dates, but it's remarkable and indeed it seems
to be an honorary number.

To be continued...

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Regards,
Rick Mur
CCIE2 #21946 (R&S / Service Provider)
Sr. Support Engineer  IPexpert, Inc.
URL: http://www.IPexpert.com
On 24 okt 2009, at 17:06, Marc La Porte wrote:
> Antonio, et al.
>
> Thank you for the extra addition. I will add him.
>
> The "oldest" CCIE in number is and will always be Stuart Biggs with 
> #1025.
> The "oldest" CCIE in date that I had on my list so far is Michael 
> Stolwijk
> (#1083) who received it on 04-Mar-1993. It seems to be that all guys 
> who in date got their CCIE number earlier than Stuart Biggs got an 
> honorary CCIE number once the CCIE program got officially started. I 
> don't know if they went through an exam, but I can ask Rene v/d Hauw 
> (CCIE #1084) as I know him personally. To me, and to the list, the 
> number counts, not the date.
> The
> same applies to people who get their CCIE number after a reread.  
> They have
> an earlier date in comparison to the number, but the number is what 
> counts.
>
> Regarding the CCDE, they did it a bit smarter, as the honorary CCDEs 
> before Ryan Hicks do have earlier numbers as well, so this makes sense 
> and keeps it clear. See here 
> <http://cciehof.weebly.com/ccde-hall-of-fame.html>
> for the
> list so far (as I know).
>
> All in all, it doesn't matter at all, not even the number, because 
> what counts is if you can actually configure/troubleshoot those darn 
> routers and switches, keeping it all up and running, keeping the 
> customer happy, and maintaining business. Without business, without 
> customers, there is no need for routers and switches and thus no CCIE 
> either.
>
> :-)
>
> Marc
>
> On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 03:14, Antonio Soares <amsoares_at_netcabo.pt>
> wrote:
>
>> He received the award from John Chambers and received the medail a 
>> few weeks/months later. It was a long time ago and he doesn't 
>> remember very well. But he thinks the dinner with John Chambers was 
>> in January (Networkers '93 Paris).
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S)
>> amsoares_at_netcabo.pt
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ryan West [mailto:rwest_at_zyedge.com]
>> Sent: sabado, 24 de Outubro de 2009 1:39
>> To: Antonio Soares; 'mark jackson'
>> Cc: 'Tony Varriale'; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>> Subject: RE: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No.
>>
>> Antonio,
>>
>> Did Pedro retake the CCIE or was he awarded the number in hindsight?
>>
>> -ryan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Antonio Soares
>> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 7:28 PM
>> To: 'mark jackson'
>> Cc: 'Tony Varriale'; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>> Subject: RE: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No.
>>
>> I was just showing the facts, nothing else. And just because someone 
>> asked me so.
>>
>> Did you pay attention to the little logo in the award ?
>>
>> http://www.ccie18473.net/Award.JPG
>>
>> The true is that the CCIE story we all know is not exactly like that.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S)
>> amsoares_at_netcabo.pt
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mark jackson [mailto:markcciejackson_at_gmail.com]
>> Sent: sabado, 24 de Outubro de 2009 0:17
>> To: Antonio Soares
>> Cc: Tony Varriale; <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>> Subject: Re: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No.
>>
>> Dude, excuse the harsh tone but it is clear as vodka to all of us 
>> that the number shows the actual certification.
>> When Pedro got his 'award' it wasn't an actual certification program.
>> That is why he got a later number.
>> My bigger question is why your feathers are all ruffled over this guy 
>> Pedro??? Why isn't he out thumping his cause if he feels he deserves 
>> it? The history has been laid out, the numbers assigned and the jello 
>> is giggling and the butters is in the fridge.
>> Put simply, take it offline and let's get back to the core reason we 
>> (the people who have achived our digits) are here...to help the up 
>> and coming achive. Not bark and bicker about 1993.
>> Again, sorry to be blunt.
>>
>> Mark Jackson, CCIE#4736
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> Please excuse spelling errors
>>
>> On Oct 23, 2009, at 4:09 PM, "Antonio Soares" <amsoares_at_netcabo.pt>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 1178 is after 1025 but January is before July :)
>>>
>>> CCIE #1025 - STUART BIGGS: Certification Date 19-Jul-1993 CCIE
>>> #1178 -
>>> PEDRO REY: Certification Date 21-Jan-1993
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S)
>>> amsoares_at_netcabo.pt
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: mark jackson [mailto:markcciejackson_at_gmail.com]
>>> Sent: sexta-feira, 23 de Outubro de 2009 23:58
>>> To: Antonio Soares
>>> Cc: Tony Varriale; <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>>> Subject: Re: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No.
>>>
>>> I guess I am still lost as to how Pedro is before Stuart???  
>>> Stuart's #
>>> is 1025 and Pedro's is 1178. 1178 is after 1025. Unless I am off my 
>>> rocker, this isn't rocket-science.
>>> Regardless of date, the numbers are plan to see.
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark Jackson, CCIE#4736
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> Please excuse spelling errors
>>>
>>> On Oct 23, 2009, at 3:19 PM, "Antonio Soares" <amsoares_at_netcabo.pt>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ok, i have it. There were about 30 engineers in Europe that took 
>>>> the program and received this award:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.ccie18473.net/Award.JPG
>>>>
>>>> They received this from John Chambers in person in a dinner in 
>>>> Networks '93 (Paris, France).
>>>>
>>>> Then they reveived the medail:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.ccie18473.net/Medail.JPG
>>>>
>>>> These were the first CCIE's.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S)
>>>> amsoares_at_netcabo.pt
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Tony Varriale
>>>> Sent: sexta-feira, 23 de Outubro de 2009 21:47
>>>> To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>>> Subject: RE: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah...I see the June/July people.  Your friend is 6 months before 
>>>> that.
>>>> That doesn't make sense.  Especially since this is the very first 
>>>> time I've ever heard of this.
>>>>
>>>> Let's get Pedro to verify his plaque and documentation from Cisco 
>>>> to see if they made an error.  Or, produce names of people that 
>>>> took the class with him.  Since you have access to that, you can 
>>>> focus there.
>>>> I'm sure other people on this list will work on finding dates 
>>>> earlier than June/July.
>>>>
>>>> tv
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Antonio Soares [mailto:amsoares_at_netcabo.pt]
>>>> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 3:35 PM
>>>> To: 'Tony Varriale'; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>>> Subject: RE: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No.
>>>>
>>>> More examples:
>>>>
>>>> Name Certification Type Certification Number Track Certification 
>>>> Status Certification Date DAVIDE BIANCHINI  CCIE  1095 Routing and 
>>>> Switching Re-certified 04-Jun-1993
>>>>
>>>> Name Certification Type Certification Number Track Certification 
>>>> Status Certification Date RENE VAN DER HAUW  CCIE  1184 Routing and 
>>>> Switching Inactive 08-Jul-1993
>>>>
>>>> Based only on Mark's list:
>>>>
>>>> http://cciehof.weebly.com/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S)
>>>> amsoares_at_netcabo.pt
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Tony Varriale
>>>> Sent: sexta-feira, 23 de Outubro de 2009 21:11
>>>> To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>>> Subject: RE: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, those are the facts.
>>>>
>>>> What you have stated previously is not.
>>>>
>>>> As a side note, the CCIEs just previous and just after your friend 
>>>> Pedro are all in July of 1993.  Think they made a mistake and put 
>>>> Jan instead of Jul?
>>>> I can't find anyone with a date previous to July.
>>>>
>>>> Since you work with him, did you see his plaque?  Would it be too 
>>>> much to verify the date on it?  Or, any names of people that went 
>>>> through the program in Jan with him so we can verify their numbers 
>>>> and dates?
>>>>
>>>> tv
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Antonio Soares
>>>> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 2:35 PM
>>>> To: 'Tony Varriale'; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>>> Subject: RE: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No.
>>>>
>>>> Facts:
>>>>
>>>> CCIE Program Announcement:  Sept. 27, 1993 CCIE #1025 - STUART
>>>> BIGGS:
>>>> Certification Date 19-Jul-1993 CCIE #1178 - PEDRO REY:
>>>> Certification Date 21-Jan-1993
>>>>
>>>> Read as you want.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S)
>>>> amsoares_at_netcabo.pt
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Tony Varriale
>>>> Sent: sexta-feira, 23 de Outubro de 2009 20:08
>>>> To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>>> Subject: RE: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No.
>>>>
>>>> You can disagree all you want.  There was no official CCIE program 
>>>> in January of 1993.  The history of the program has been hashed out 
>>>> and is fairly well known.  The lab and Terry are the beginning of 
>>>> the official program.  That is recognized by Cisco.
>>>>
>>>> You sent a link that stated the CCIE program was official in August 
>>>> of
>>>> 1993 (which I think some of us knew already).  That proves my 
>>>> point, not yours.
>>>>
>>>> Actually, your point is that you want your friend to be a CCIE 
>>>> before there was a CCIE program.  That's great for you but it 
>>>> doesn't make it true.  It is also reflected in his number.
>>>>
>>>> Congrats on your friend being in an early phase of what (may) 
>>>> became the program but don't misrepresent what you think may have 
>>>> happened.
>>>>
>>>> They weren't the first CCIEs.  They may have been some of the first 
>>>> in a program that may have been a precursor to the CCIE program.
>>>>
>>>> tv
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Antonio Soares [mailto:amsoares_at_netcabo.pt]
>>>> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 1:51 PM
>>>> To: 'Tony Varriale'; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>>> Subject: RE: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No.
>>>>
>>>> I must disagree. They completed the program as the others:
>>>>
>>>> http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/1993/corp_092793.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S)
>>>> amsoares_at_netcabo.pt
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Tony Varriale
>>>> Sent: sexta-feira, 23 de Outubro de 2009 19:32
>>>> To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>>> Subject: RE: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No.
>>>>
>>>> They aren't as they obviously did not take the lab exam in the 
>>>> official CCIE program.
>>>>
>>>> The people who took the official and recognized lab first are the 
>>>> first CCIEs in the world.
>>>>
>>>> tv
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Antonio Soares
>>>> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 12:33 PM
>>>> To: 'Marc La Porte'
>>>> Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>>> Subject: RE: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No.
>>>>
>>>> Hello Mark,
>>>>
>>>> Please add my colleague Pedro Rey to your list:
>>>>
>>>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>> Name        Certification Type    Certification Number    Track
>>>> Certification    Status    Certification Date
>>>> PEDRO REY    CCIE                1178
>>>> Routing and Switching    Suspended    21-Jan-1993
>>>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>
>>>> You can see that Pedro is an older CCIE than STUART BIGGS, TERRANCE 
>>>> SLATTERY and many more that have a lower CCIE Number.
>>>>
>>>> I was talking with Pedro about this and it seems in Europe some 
>>>> Engineers were awarded with the Cisco TAC Engineer Certification or 
>>>> something similar. The CCIE word came later so these guys got their 
>>>> certification renamed CCIE. Of course, their got higher numbers but 
>>>> they got their Certification first.
>>>>
>>>> So these are actually the first CCIE's in the World.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S)
>>>> amsoares_at_netcabo.pt
>>>>
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