Re: AM I READING RIGHT?

I want in on the bet. Have you scheduled a lab date yet?

On Oct 25, 2009, at 9:05 PM, Johnny B CCIE wrote:

> The prevailing wisdom is that this exam is a hands-on exercise.
> Hands-on skills by definition cannot really be cheated upon. If a
> person is taught to perform a task and can perform that task then
> there is no such thing as cheating. Can a person cheat in a foot race?
> If all the person is doing is running faster and nothing else? I am
> not cheating I am going to pass an exam. I am not taping answers to my
> fingernails and I do not have formulas tattooed under my eyelids. I
> will bring only my person to the exam and will use whatever is given
> to me to perform whatever tasks I am asked to perform. Is that not how
> every other person takes this exam? I am going to take this exam just
> like anyone else does. When I am done and I have won my bet it is up
> to the entity that has employed me to do whatever they like with the
> results of my experience. I am only here to prove it can be done or
> not done in the time period of the wager. Some people may do what I am
> doing in 6 months and some may take 6 years. I was challenged to do it
> in 6 months. It is not unreasonable.
>
> On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Joe Astorino
> <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com> wrote:
>> Agreed but only a fool would take that bet since anybody could
>> cheat. That works out well for you since your buddy is not
>> concerned with that and more power to you I'm just saying I would
>> not make that bet without some further stipulations
>> Regards,
>>
>> Joe Astorino - CCIE #24347 R&S
>> Technical Instructor - IPexpert, Inc.
>> Cell: +1.586.212.6107
>> Fax: +1.810.454.0130
>> Mailto: jastorino_at_ipexpert.com
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Johnny B CCIE <jbccie_at_gmail.com>
>> Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 13:43:34
>> To: CCIE Groupstudy<ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>> Subject: Re: AM I READING RIGHT?
>>
>> I am already past the 30 day term or if the wager were worth it, I'd
>> be more than happy to take your money too. Legitimacy is in the eyes
>> of the beholder. I only said I would take an exam and pass it.
>> Nothing
>> more and nothing less. If I fail I lose. I cannot afford to lose
>> and I
>> never bet. I will do what I set out to do.
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Joe Astorino
>> <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com> wrote:
>>> If I could verify things were beind done lugitimately in 30 days
>>> I'd take that bet and I'd be shocked if anybody could do it in 30
>>> days
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Joe Astorino - CCIE #24347 R&S
>>> Technical Instructor - IPexpert, Inc.
>>> Cell: +1.586.212.6107
>>> Fax: +1.810.454.0130
>>> Mailto: jastorino_at_ipexpert.com
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: ugwuadu_at_gmail.com
>>> Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:19:10
>>> To: mark jackson<markcciejackson_at_gmail.com>; Johnny B CCIE<jbccie_at_gmail.com
>>> >
>>> Cc: CCIE Groupstudy<ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>>> Subject: Re: AM I READING RIGHT?
>>>
>>> Hmm. This is getting very interesting.
>>>
>>> Henry Ugwuadu.
>>> CCIE #23824
>>>
>>> Sent from my BlackBerry wireless device from MTN
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: mark jackson <markcciejackson_at_gmail.com>
>>> Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 10:15:26
>>> To: Johnny B CCIE<jbccie_at_gmail.com>
>>> Cc: CCIE Groupstudy<ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>>> Subject: Re: AM I READING RIGHT?
>>>
>>> LoL. On the moral boundaires statement. Wouldn't want anyone to
>>> assume
>>> you are doing things against policies ;-)
>>>
>>> Mark Jackson, CCIE#4736
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> Please excuse spelling errors
>>>
>>> On Oct 25, 2009, at 10:08 AM, Johnny B CCIE <jbccie_at_gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank you. I don't want anyone to misunderstand me. I am in this
>>>> for
>>>> the bet and it is worth it to me and I will win the bet. If the bet
>>>> was for 30 days then I'd win the bet in 30 days. I have no
>>>> pretentions
>>>> of what it will take me to do this nor are there any moral
>>>> boundaries.
>>>> It is simply a bet to pass a test. Win or lose. I get paid to win
>>>> and
>>>> I do get paid. I'm not a betting man myself if you know what I
>>>> mean.
>>>> It's like taking candy from a baby.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Narbik Kocharians
>>>> <narbikk_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Johnny,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am sure you are studying hard and based on what i am reading you
>>>>> are
>>>>> knowledgable as well, but the written can be done in 4 days if you
>>>>> wanted
>>>>> to, but when it comes to the lab, you must agree that it takes
>>>>> some
>>>>> serious
>>>>> studying.
>>>>>
>>>>> Even the written requires some serious studying, unless one goes
>>>>> to
>>>>> test
>>>>> preps. (I did NOT say that you did that). Reading 10 books, will
>>>>> take about
>>>>> a month or two to complete, and its NOT reading ONLY, its
>>>>> understanding it
>>>>> all so you can pass the test.
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW, i think you will do it, because you say to yourself "I have
>>>>> to", which
>>>>> is GR8.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Johnny B CCIE <jbccie_at_gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am doing it as a bet. A friend of mine said I could not pass
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> CCIE Written in less than 30 days. I took the test within a
>>>>>> week and
>>>>>> won the bet. Now he said I could not take and pass the CCIE Lab
>>>>>> within
>>>>>> 6 months. Well guess what? I am going to win that bet too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Joe Astorino <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> If that is the case then why waste your time on the CCIE?
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Joe Astorino - CCIE #24347 R&S
>>>>>>> Technical Instructor - IPexpert, Inc.
>>>>>>> Cell: +1.586.212.6107
>>>>>>> Fax: +1.810.454.0130
>>>>>>> Mailto: jastorino_at_ipexpert.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: armylegionmedic_at_aol.com
>>>>>>> Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 11:51:41
>>>>>>> To: <smoothccie_at_googlemail.com>; <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: AM I READING RIGHT?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is not meant to offend or be rude in any fashion or manor,
>>>>>>> just a
>>>>>>> personal opinion. I remember someone made a comment awhile back
>>>>>>> that the
>>>>>>> CCIE
>>>>>>> is turning into the MCSE (How it was and what it became) and
>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>> responded saying no it wasnt. I have to respectfully disagree
>>>>>>> with the
>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>> who said it wasnt. I feel it is day by day. I believe that in
>>>>>>> a few
>>>>>>> years the
>>>>>>> CCIE will be exactly the same as an MCSE and Cisco certs will
>>>>>>> loose
>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>> stature. I base this off of what Cisco has recently done and
>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>> Microsoft
>>>>>>> tried to do to save their program. They came out with the
>>>>>>> "Masters"
>>>>>>> Program
>>>>>>> and then once you passed this you could go for the "Architect"
>>>>>>> Program.
>>>>>>> Now
>>>>>>> with Cisco doing this CCA, I truly and saddened to say I really
>>>>>>> feel
>>>>>>> Cisco
>>>>>>> will be right behind Microsoft soon. This is simply my
>>>>>>> observation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Smooth IE <smoothccie_at_googlemail.com>
>>>>>>> To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>>>>>> Sent: Sun, Oct 25, 2009 6:32 am
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: AM I READING RIGHT?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WIthin 3 years all Cisco exams will be sub-contracted out to
>>>>>>> Vue,
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> format
>>>>>>> won't be the same just it will have Cisco vetted Vue henchmen as
>>>>>>> proctors.
>>>>>>> This will simply menm that you will be able to sit the lab in
>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>> locations, so yes it will be in a country near you :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Watch this speace....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2009/10/25 Rick Mur <rmur_at_ipexpert.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I also heard from a couple people that Cisco is looking at
>>>>>>>> doing
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> lab
>>>>>>>> exams at the VUE Professional centers (same as the CCDE). I can
>>>>>>>> imagine
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> it could save Cisco a lot of money for maintaining their own
>>>>>>>> CCIE
>>>>>>>> 'floors'.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rick Mur
>>>>>>>> CCIE2 #21946 (R&S / Service Provider)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sr. Support Engineer IPexpert, Inc.
>>>>>>>> URL: http://www.IPexpert.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 24 okt 2009, at 12:53, Iwan Hoogendoorn wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For now the Written exams are given @ Vue exam centers...
>>>>>>>>> And the Lab is still @ Cisco ... but I don't know what the
>>>>>>>>> future will
>>>>>>>>> bring...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Iwan Hoogendoorn
>>>>>>>>> CCIE #13084 (R&S / Security / SP)
>>>>>>>>> Sr. Support Engineer IPexpert, Inc.
>>>>>>>>> URL: http://www.IPexpert.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 5:09 PM, <armylegionmedic_at_aol.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So I got this email this morning from Cisco
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Effective October 19, 2009 Cisco CCIEB. Routing and Switching
>>>>>>>>>> v4.0
>>>>>>>>>> certification exams are now available in all VUE testing
>>>>>>>>>> locations
>>>>>>>>>> worldwide.
>>>>>>>>>> Both the written and lab exams have been refreshed with new
>>>>>>>>>> questions
>>>>>>>>>> covering
>>>>>>>>>> MPLS and VPN networking. The written exam includes new
>>>>>>>>>> scenario-based
>>>>>>>>>> questions. The lab exam now requires hands-on
>>>>>>>>>> troubleshooting of
>>>>>>>>>> preconfigured
>>>>>>>>>> networks, in addition to configuration. Exam duration and
>>>>>>>>>> pricing
>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>> remain
>>>>>>>>>> the same, with the two-hour written exam at USD $350.00 and
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> eight-hour lab
>>>>>>>>>> at USD $1400.00
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Am I reading it correctly that even the R&S Lab will be at
>>>>>>>>>> Vue
>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>> well?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> James
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Iwan Hoogendoorn
>>>>>>>>> CCIE #13084 (R&S / Security / SP)
>>>>>>>>> Sr. Support Engineer IPexpert, Inc.
>>>>>>>>> URL: http://www.IPexpert.com
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