RE: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No. from Antonio Soares on 2009-10-23 (Ccielab archives 10/2009)

From: Antonio Soares <amsoares_at_netcabo.pt>
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 00:27:32 +0100

I was just showing the facts, nothing else. And just because someone asked me so.

Did you pay attention to the little logo in the award ?

http://www.ccie18473.net/Award.JPG

The true is that the CCIE story we all know is not exactly like that.

Regards,

Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S)
amsoares_at_netcabo.pt

-----Original Message-----
From: mark jackson [mailto:markcciejackson_at_gmail.com]
Sent: sabado, 24 de Outubro de 2009 0:17
To: Antonio Soares
Cc: Tony Varriale; <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
Subject: Re: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No.

Dude, excuse the harsh tone but it is clear as vodka to all of us that the number shows the actual certification.
When Pedro got his 'award' it wasn't an actual certification program.
That is why he got a later number.
My bigger question is why your feathers are all ruffled over this guy Pedro??? Why isn't he out thumping his cause if he feels he
deserves it? The history has been laid out, the numbers assigned and the jello is giggling and the butters is in the fridge.
Put simply, take it offline and let's get back to the core reason we (the people who have achived our digits) are here...to help the
up and coming achive. Not bark and bicker about 1993.
Again, sorry to be blunt.

Mark Jackson, CCIE#4736

Sent from my iPhone
Please excuse spelling errors

On Oct 23, 2009, at 4:09 PM, "Antonio Soares" <amsoares_at_netcabo.pt>
wrote:

> 1178 is after 1025 but January is before July :)
>
> CCIE #1025 - STUART BIGGS: Certification Date 19-Jul-1993 CCIE #1178 -
> PEDRO REY: Certification Date 21-Jan-1993
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S)
> amsoares_at_netcabo.pt
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mark jackson [mailto:markcciejackson_at_gmail.com]
> Sent: sexta-feira, 23 de Outubro de 2009 23:58
> To: Antonio Soares
> Cc: Tony Varriale; <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> Subject: Re: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No.
>
> I guess I am still lost as to how Pedro is before Stuart??? Stuart's #
> is 1025 and Pedro's is 1178. 1178 is after 1025. Unless I am off my
> rocker, this isn't rocket-science.
> Regardless of date, the numbers are plan to see.
>
>
> Mark Jackson, CCIE#4736
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> Please excuse spelling errors
>
> On Oct 23, 2009, at 3:19 PM, "Antonio Soares" <amsoares_at_netcabo.pt>
> wrote:
>
>> Ok, i have it. There were about 30 engineers in Europe that took the
>> program and received this award:
>>
>> http://www.ccie18473.net/Award.JPG
>>
>> They received this from John Chambers in person in a dinner in
>> Networks '93 (Paris, France).
>>
>> Then they reveived the medail:
>>
>> http://www.ccie18473.net/Medail.JPG
>>
>> These were the first CCIE's.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S)
>> amsoares_at_netcabo.pt
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>> Of Tony Varriale
>> Sent: sexta-feira, 23 de Outubro de 2009 21:47
>> To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>> Subject: RE: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No.
>>
>> Yeah...I see the June/July people. Your friend is 6 months before
>> that.
>> That doesn't make sense. Especially since this is the very first
>> time I've ever heard of this.
>>
>> Let's get Pedro to verify his plaque and documentation from Cisco to
>> see if they made an error. Or, produce names of people that took the
>> class with him. Since you have access to that, you can focus there.
>> I'm sure other people on this list will work on finding dates earlier
>> than June/July.
>>
>> tv
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Antonio Soares [mailto:amsoares_at_netcabo.pt]
>> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 3:35 PM
>> To: 'Tony Varriale'; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>> Subject: RE: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No.
>>
>> More examples:
>>
>> Name Certification Type Certification Number Track Certification
>> Status Certification Date DAVIDE BIANCHINI CCIE 1095 Routing and
>> Switching Re-certified 04-Jun-1993
>>
>> Name Certification Type Certification Number Track Certification
>> Status Certification Date RENE VAN DER HAUW CCIE 1184 Routing and
>> Switching Inactive 08-Jul-1993
>>
>> Based only on Mark's list:
>>
>> http://cciehof.weebly.com/
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S)
>> amsoares_at_netcabo.pt
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>> Of Tony Varriale
>> Sent: sexta-feira, 23 de Outubro de 2009 21:11
>> To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>> Subject: RE: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No.
>>
>> Yes, those are the facts.
>>
>> What you have stated previously is not.
>>
>> As a side note, the CCIEs just previous and just after your friend
>> Pedro are all in July of 1993. Think they made a mistake and put Jan
>> instead of Jul?
>> I can't find anyone with a date previous to July.
>>
>> Since you work with him, did you see his plaque? Would it be too
>> much to verify the date on it? Or, any names of people that went
>> through the program in Jan with him so we can verify their numbers
>> and dates?
>>
>> tv
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>> Of Antonio Soares
>> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 2:35 PM
>> To: 'Tony Varriale'; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>> Subject: RE: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No.
>>
>> Facts:
>>
>> CCIE Program Announcement: Sept. 27, 1993 CCIE #1025 - STUART BIGGS:
>> Certification Date 19-Jul-1993 CCIE #1178 - PEDRO REY:
>> Certification Date 21-Jan-1993
>>
>> Read as you want.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S)
>> amsoares_at_netcabo.pt
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>> Of Tony Varriale
>> Sent: sexta-feira, 23 de Outubro de 2009 20:08
>> To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>> Subject: RE: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No.
>>
>> You can disagree all you want. There was no official CCIE program in
>> January of 1993. The history of the program has been hashed out and
>> is fairly well known. The lab and Terry are the beginning of the
>> official program. That is recognized by Cisco.
>>
>> You sent a link that stated the CCIE program was official in August
>> of
>> 1993 (which I think some of us knew already). That proves my point,
>> not yours.
>>
>> Actually, your point is that you want your friend to be a CCIE before
>> there was a CCIE program. That's great for you but it doesn't make
>> it true. It is also reflected in his number.
>>
>> Congrats on your friend being in an early phase of what (may) became
>> the program but don't misrepresent what you think may have happened.
>>
>> They weren't the first CCIEs. They may have been some of the first
>> in a program that may have been a precursor to the CCIE program.
>>
>> tv
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Antonio Soares [mailto:amsoares_at_netcabo.pt]
>> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 1:51 PM
>> To: 'Tony Varriale'; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>> Subject: RE: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No.
>>
>> I must disagree. They completed the program as the others:
>>
>> http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/1993/corp_092793.html
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S)
>> amsoares_at_netcabo.pt
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>> Of Tony Varriale
>> Sent: sexta-feira, 23 de Outubro de 2009 19:32
>> To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>> Subject: RE: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No.
>>
>> They aren't as they obviously did not take the lab exam in the
>> official CCIE program.
>>
>> The people who took the official and recognized lab first are the
>> first CCIEs in the world.
>>
>> tv
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>> Of Antonio Soares
>> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 12:33 PM
>> To: 'Marc La Porte'
>> Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>> Subject: RE: CCIE Hall of Fame . . . . . Missing No.
>>
>> Hello Mark,
>>
>> Please add my colleague Pedro Rey to your list:
>>
>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Name Certification Type Certification Number Track
>> Certification Status Certification Date
>> PEDRO REY CCIE 1178
>> Routing and Switching Suspended 21-Jan-1993
>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>> You can see that Pedro is an older CCIE than STUART BIGGS, TERRANCE
>> SLATTERY and many more that have a lower CCIE Number.
>>
>> I was talking with Pedro about this and it seems in Europe some
>> Engineers were awarded with the Cisco TAC Engineer Certification or
>> something similar. The CCIE word came later so these guys got their
>> certification renamed CCIE. Of course, their got higher numbers but
>> they got their Certification first.
>>
>> So these are actually the first CCIE's in the World.
>>
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S)
>> amsoares_at_netcabo.pt
>>
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