Re: Anyone Going for v4 lab in october?

Never forget that it is a business as much as it is a certification
exam. Do I like that? Not always. But I understand it.

And believe me, after sitting through the last CCDE practical of 8
hours, I REALLY wish they'd figure out how to determine whether I was an
expert or not after about 5.5 hours!!! :)

Scott

Johnny B CCIE wrote:
> So they sold out or are selling out the ccie integrity? We all knew it
> was coming when a ccie did not have to touch equipment any more. So
> what is the ccie going to be in the future? A help desk or noc
> certification? We all know the testing centers are not capable of
> keeping an NDA since they have not been able to do so yet. How did 16
> hours of hands-on configuration get reduced to 5.5 hours in the first
> place?
>
> On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 9:54 PM, Evan Weston <evan_weston_at_hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Makes me think of the King of Kong. It shouldn't count unless you get your
>> high score at Cisco's house on Cisco's machine IMO.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> Scott M Vermillion
>> Sent: Tuesday, 20 October 2009 11:32 AM
>> To: Farrukh Haroon
>> Cc: Anthony Sequeira; Roy Waterman; Divin Mathew John; Nathan Richie;
>> Anantha Subramanian Natarajan; Iwan Hoogendoorn; Cisco certification
>> Subject: Re: Anyone Going for v4 lab in october?
>>
>> I personally hope that nothing of the sort ever comes to pass. Part
>> of the mystique of a CCIE involves that whole idea of having flown to
>> some far off land, done battle, and emerged victorious. That's
>> someone who's serious about their craft and serious about proving
>> their mettle. Popping off to the nearest PearsonVue test center on a
>> day off or over a weekend somehow lacks dramatic effect. Anybody
>> could do that enough times to eventually pass. And when every minimum-
>> wage 17-year-old on the local Best Buy Geek Squad is sporting CCIE
>> apparel, what will be the residual value of holding the cert?
>>
>> But probably the bean counters within Cisco will eventually bring
>> something like this about. It would be my hope that they at least
>> keep things in-house at major Cisco offices. Otherwise, it's
>> inevitable that test centers will be easily compromised and people
>> will be buying digits (think 100,000+ type of digits within a year or
>> two) on the open market.
>>
>> I personally question whether or not I'd bother recertifying if that
>> were to be where the program was taken. I'd simply tell interviewers
>> that I earned the cert back in the day when you actually had to do
>> exactly that...
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2009, at 1:37 , Farrukh Haroon wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I can see that the Cisco dream of the 'ccie lab offered in a pearson
>>> center'
>>> about to become true :), these changes seem to be inline with that
>>> 'rumor'.....
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Farrukh
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 10:09 PM, Anthony Sequeira
>>> <asequeira_at_ine.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Yeah - Cisco has come full circle. . .
>>>>
>>>> In the two day lab format you had a troubleshooting section, and
>>>> you were
>>>> forced to diagram (the diagrams were worth a point or two).
>>>>
>>>> :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 19, 2009, at 1:49 PM, Roy Waterman wrote:
>>>>
>>>> With the documentation being all web-based, there is an even
>>>> greater need
>>>>
>>>>> to
>>>>> draw your own diagrams in my view...Id know id hate to have to
>>>>> scroll back
>>>>> and forth between the diagrams & the task in question.
>>>>>
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