Re: CCIE written expiry

Am beginning to wonder what we are turning this group into. C'mon guys take it easy and let's get back to studies.

Henry Ugwuadu
23824 R/S
 
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-----Original Message-----
From: Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:12:20
To: Joe Astorino<jastorino_at_ipexpert.com>
Cc: Ryan West<rwest_at_zyedge.com>; Marko Milivojevic<markom_at_markom.info>; Scott Morris<smorris_at_ine.com>; Dale Shaw<dale.shaw_at_gmail.com>; CCIE Groupstudy<ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
Subject: Re: CCIE written expiry

Joe,

What animosity? I don't even know you.

This person asked a question, i thought he made a mistake, so i agreed with
Scott and i added to what Scott said.

Now....please look at it from my perspective.....IF this person truly wanted
to know how he could re-certify his written, and we all know that the
written is NOT a certification. Come on mate you know that.
i was thinking to myself why would Joe reply by saying "Scott says NO and
you say YES, who is correct (or what ever the sentence was" may be he is
trying to Sh#$ Stir the pot, and get Scott and I in an argument, and that is
the only reason i said "Joe you should know that" THAT IS ALL, i did not
take a shot or tried to bring you down, or tried to say i am a better
instructor than you or my work books are better than yours, i did not try to
sell anything, i did not try to put you down or tried to advertise my
classes.

That's all mate. That's all.

On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Joe Astorino <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com>wrote:

> Alright, let's get something straight then. All this kind of animosity
> comes out of the fact that (in my opinion) somebody thinks somebody else is
> taking a shot at them. I perceived you taking a shot at me, and chances are
> you felt the same about me from the way things have progressed and frankly
> gotten out of hand.
> Maybe you weren't taking a shot at me, but that's how it was perceived.
> People tend to be defensive when they perceive they are being attacked by
> others for no reason. I do believe you or anybody else with any self respect
> would probably react similarly.
>
> So look -- I'm willing to bury the hatchet on this if you were honestly not
> looking to take a shot at me intentionally. Also, regarding your joke
> obviously subtleties are not communicated in text the way they are in
> person. If you were sitting across from me I'm sure I would have picked up
> on your tone and your demeanor to understand you were joking. It's hard to
> do that when you just say something flat out in an email.
>
> Anybody out there reading this can attest to the fact that I've never been
> involved in or interested in political discussion on GS. I challenge you to
> find a thread, because there aren't any. I'm here because I love teaching
> and I love technology, not because I want to tell anybody I think I'm better
> than somebody else, or the material I work on is better than anybody else's.
>
> With that being said, why don't we get back to the technology and stop
> throwing stones at each other since it serves no useful purpose.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 11:59 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Joe,
>>
>> I was kidding about NOT hiring you, i have heard GR8 stuff about your
>> teaching style. It was just a joke mate. I apologies if you took it the
>> wrong way.
>>
>> But jokes aside, i would never hire Scott (JK).
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 8:57 PM, Joe Astorino <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com>wrote:
>>
>>> You got that much right I'd never consider it : )
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Joe Astorino - CCIE #24347 R&S
>>> Technical Instructor - IPexpert, Inc.
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>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
>>> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:01:39
>>> To: Ryan West<rwest_at_zyedge.com>
>>> Cc: Marko Milivojevic<markom_at_markom.info>; Scott Morris<smorris_at_ine.com>;
>>> Dale Shaw<dale.shaw_at_gmail.com>; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com<
>>> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>>> Subject: Re: CCIE written expiry
>>>
>>> I guess i will never hire you or Scott........
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com
>>> >wrote:
>>>
>>> > Who are you talking to?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Ryan West <rwest_at_zyedge.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Maybe you should concentrate on your next Marketing blast, rather than
>>> >> flaming the helpful non-combative members of this list. I hear you
>>> use
>>> >> members of this list to promote your product for reduced rates, put a
>>> cork
>>> >> in it.
>>> >>
>>> >> -ryan
>>> >>
>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>> >> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>>> Of
>>> >> Narbik Kocharians
>>> >> Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 9:17 PM
>>> >> To: Marko Milivojevic
>>> >> Cc: Scott Morris; Dale Shaw; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>> >> Subject: Re: CCIE written expiry
>>> >>
>>> >> Initially i thought that it was a typo by the person that asked the
>>> >> question, but later i was just adding to what Scott said. But my
>>> honest
>>> >> opinion is that if you are teaching this cert, you must know some of
>>> the
>>> >> basic rules.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Marko Milivojevic <
>>> markom_at_markom.info
>>> >> >wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 00:20, Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >> > > Naaahhh... B They're entirely different (your PS question). B
>>> Because
>>> >> > > there I would anticipate being cursed out in languages I didn't
>>> >> > > understand. B I haven't really seen that happen here. B ;)
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Well, I'm certain that could be arranged - in a much wider variety
>>> >> > than only Norse ;-)
>>> >> >
>>> >> > --
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>>> >> > CCIE #18427 (SP)
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>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Joe Astorino - CCIE #24347 R&S
> Technical Instructor - IPexpert, Inc.
> Cell: +1.586.212.6107
> Fax: +1.810.454.0130
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>

-- 
Narbik Kocharians
CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
www.MicronicsTraining.com
Sr. Technical Instructor
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