Re: OT - Version 4 Scoring

I think that is the point, of the troubleshooting section, to see what you
can 'really do' not just what you learned in a workbook, it is going to be
interesting to see when I take it in FEB...

When I worked for Lucent we had the same thing to 'emulate' our platforms on
the same system (unix solaris sun servers) that we ( 'we' the software guys
that wrote the code that is, I was just a sustainment engineer :)>
) complied the code on...

It would out scale anything dynamips/dynagen/gns3 can do (with the hardware
that most of us can get our hands on), we could build complete 'Internet'
routing tables with thousands of nodes to mock up every interface we had...

thanks..
garry..

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 5:04 PM, <Charles.Henson_at_regions.com> wrote:

> WOW. So if that is the case, it makes things interesting. How do potential
> candidates emulate that environment for studies? Realistically how far down
> could you scale it and still get the same benefit for the troubleshooting
> section? How do vendors like IE, IPE, CCBootcamp, etc. come up with
> workbooks and training that emulates that? Again, we're a bit ahead of the
> game here.....
>
> I have also pushed 20 devices on dynamips with an older dual 3.2 HP server
> and 6gb of memory that I had available for testing. For the fun of it, I
> have reached out this morning to the server team to ask if I can "borrow"
> one of their new fat servers for a day to see how far I can push dynamips.
> 8 way cores with 64gb of memory are the norm. It's not something every
> candidate can pick up at the pawn shop but I just want to see how far
> dynamips will go.
>
> Has anyone "pushed" dynamips before to see what kind of cap it may or may
> not have?
>
> Charles Henson
>
>
>
>
>
> From: "Tyson Scott" <tscott_at_ipexpert.com>
>
> To: "'Peter Dsouza \(petdsouz\)'" <petdsouz_at_cisco.com>, <
> Charles.Henson_at_regions.com>
>
> Cc: "'Brad Ellis'" <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com>, <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>,
> "'Justin Mitchell'" <jgmitchell_at_gmail.com>, "'Nathan
> Richie'" <nathanr_at_boice.net>, <nobody_at_groupstudy.com>,
> "'Nadeem Rafi'" <nrafia_at_gmail.com>
>
> Date: 10/08/2009 12:37 AM
>
> Subject: RE: OT - Version 4 Scoring
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Peter,
>
> There is talk that the troubleshooting portion of the lab could consist of
> up to 30 routers for a given troubleshooting lab. I would like to see
> anyone get 30 routers running stable on their workstation with Dynamips
> supporting the latest 12.4T code and the right memory requirements. I can
> get 20 routers on my 8 core 16 GB memory no problem but 30 is pushing it
> for
> sure. And how many people have a system like that sitting around.
>
> On the same system running IOU I could probably run close to 100 routers
> without the blink of an eye.
>
> Regards,
>
> Tyson Scott - CCIE #13513 R&S, Security, and SP
> Technical Instructor - IPexpert, Inc.
>
> Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
> Cell: +1.248.504.7309
> Fax: +1.810.454.0130
> Mailto: tscott_at_ipexpert.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Dsouza (petdsouz) [mailto:petdsouz_at_cisco.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 1:08 AM
> To: Charles.Henson_at_regions.com; Tyson Scott
> Cc: Brad Ellis; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com; Justin Mitchell; Nathan Richie;
> nobody_at_groupstudy.com; Nadeem Rafi
> Subject: RE: OT - Version 4 Scoring
>
> There is no need to get your hands on IOU if you've Dynamips. Its just
> an internal Cisco router emulator. Supported on Linux and Sun, suports
> Ethernet (no FE or GE), ATM and serial interfaces.
>
> cheers
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Charles.Henson_at_regions.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 7:23 AM
> To: Tyson Scott
> Cc: 'Brad Ellis'; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com; 'Justin Mitchell'; 'Nathan
> Richie'; nobody_at_groupstudy.com; 'Nadeem Rafi'
> Subject: RE: OT - Version 4 Scoring
>
> Thanks for the education everyone. Not being a Cisco insider I had
> always
> assumed they developed and played on virtual gear but didn't know the
> name
> or capability. Yeah, I assumed we would not have direct access to
> anything
> except terminals so it would be transparent to us.
>
> Now where do we get the IOU ISO? :)
>
> Charles Henson
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: "Tyson Scott" <tscott_at_ipexpert.com>
>
>
>
> To: <Charles.Henson_at_regions.com>, "'Justin Mitchell'"
> <jgmitchell_at_gmail.com>
>
>
> Cc: "'Brad Ellis'" <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com>,
> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>, "'Nathan Richie'" <nathanr_at_boice.net>,
>
> <nobody_at_groupstudy.com>, "'Nadeem Rafi'"
> <nrafia_at_gmail.com>
>
>
>
> Date: 10/07/2009 07:19 PM
>
>
>
> Subject: RE: OT - Version 4 Scoring
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Charles,
>
> IOU is actually more stable than dynamips but from your perspective you
> won't know the difference as you will just have terminal access to the
> routers as you would other devices in the lab.
>
> IOU has been around for a long time. Originally it was only supported
> on
> SUN workstations with a SPARC processor but within the last few years it
> has
> migrated to mostly Linux and was always a very good tool when I worked
> for
> Advanced Services.
>
> IOU has always been a tightly kept secret of Cisco's. Not sure if they
> will
> release it to learning partners as we were never allowed to show it to
> our
> customers.
>
> I would love to get my hands on it as it is better than dynamips and
> more
> efficient. But thank heavens for dynamips right for the rest of us.
>
> Regards,
>
> Tyson Scott - CCIE #13513 R&S, Security, and SP
> Technical Instructor - IPexpert, Inc.
>
> Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
> Cell: +1.248.504.7309
> Fax: +1.810.454.0130
> Mailto: tscott_at_ipexpert.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Charles.Henson_at_regions.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 5:31 PM
> To: Justin Mitchell
> Cc: Brad Ellis; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com; Nathan Richie;
> nobody_at_groupstudy.com; Nadeem Rafi
> Subject: Re: OT - Version 4 Scoring
>
> I wasn't very clear. I am very familiar with dynamips/GNS3. I was just
> curious how close IOU would look/feel to the GNS3 that many of us are
> used
> to. More than likely, we'll just get terminal windows and won't know the
> difference........until it crashes.... :)
>
> Charles Henson
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Justin Mitchell <jgmitchell_at_gmail.com>
>
>
>
> To: Charles.Henson_at_regions.com
>
>
>
> Cc: Brad Ellis <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com>, ccielab_at_groupstudy.com,
> Nathan Richie <nathanr_at_boice.net>, nobody_at_groupstudy.com,
> Nadeem Rafi <nrafia_at_gmail.com>
>
>
>
> Date: 10/07/2009 03:59 PM
>
>
>
> Subject: Re: OT - Version 4 Scoring
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> No, GNS3 is a whole separate project used Dynamips and Dynagen. GNS3
> is actually just a GUI for Dynamips/Dynagen to make it easier to use.
> Dynamips is a hardware emulator.
>
> Justin G. Mitchell
> e: jgmitchell_at_gmail.com | skype: justin.g.mitchell
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:50 PM, <Charles.Henson_at_regions.com> wrote:
> > Just finished watching. Thanks for the link Brad.
> >
> > Does IOU = GNS3?
> >
> > Charles Henson
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: "Brad Ellis" <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com>
> >
> > To: "Nadeem Rafi" <nrafia_at_gmail.com>
> >
> > Cc: "Nathan Richie" <nathanr_at_boice.net>,
> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> >
> > Date: 10/07/2009 12:21 PM
> >
> > Subject: RE: OT - Version 4 Scoring
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Right here:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> https://ciscosales.webex.com/ciscosales/lsr.php?AT=pb&SP=EC&rID=40520377
> > &rKey=4a695ccb75726703
> >
> >
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > Brad Ellis
> >
> > CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
> >
> > CCSI# 30482
> >
> > CEO / President
> >
> > CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP)
> >
> > Email: brad_at_ccbootcamp.com
> >
> > Toll Free: 877-654-2243
> >
> > International: +1-702-968-5100
> >
> > Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call
> >
> > FAX: +1-702-446-8012
> >
> > YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
> >
> > Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com
> > <http://www.ccbootcamp.com/>
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Nadeem Rafi [mailto:nrafia_at_gmail.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 9:22 AM
> > To: Brad Ellis
> > Cc: Nathan Richie; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: OT - Version 4 Scoring
> >
> >
> >
> > i have missed the webnar.. how to get recording?
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:15 PM, Brad Ellis <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Nathan.
> >
> > As you probably saw in the webinar yesterday, the new exam will be
> > comprised of three different separate sections:
> >
> > Core Knowledge (OEQ)
> > Troubleshooting
> > Configuration
> >
> > You must pass EACH individual section in order to pass the lab exam.
> In
> > other words, if you fail a single section, then you fail the exam. One
> > of the most interesting items that was discussed during the event
> > yesterday is the direction Cisco is heading with using virtual
> > equipment. The ENTIRE troubleshooting portion of the new lab exam will
> > be done on Cisco IOU (software emulator). This gives the lab exam team
> > the ability to conjure up a larger network very easily. Fun stuff!
> >
> >
> > thanks,
> > Brad Ellis
> > CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
> > CCSI# 30482
> > CEO / President
> > CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP)
> > Email: brad_at_ccbootcamp.com
> > Toll Free: 877-654-2243
> > International: +1-702-968-5100
> > Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call
> > FAX: +1-702-446-8012
> > YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
> > Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Nathan Richie [mailto:nathanr_at_boice.net]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 8:49 PM
> > To: Brad Ellis; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: OT - Version 4 Scoring
> >
> > Cool, thanks Brad
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Brad Ellis [mailto:brad_at_ccbootcamp.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:35 PM
> > To: Nathan Richie; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: OT - Version 4 Scoring
> >
> > Nathan,
> >
> > Hi! I had dinner with Maurilio tonight (and Russ White). Maurilio did
> > confirm that he is going to discuss the details of the score
> > requirements in the webinar next week. Should be interesting to hear
> > people's feedback... :)
> >
> > thanks,
> > Brad Ellis
> > CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
> > CCSI# 30482
> > CEO / President
> > CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP)
> > Email: brad_at_ccbootcamp.com
> > Toll Free: 877-654-2243
> > International: +1-702-968-5100
> > Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call
> > FAX: +1-702-446-8012
> > YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
> > Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com
> > CCIE Webinar: http://www.ccbootcamp.com/cciewebex.html
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > Nathan Richie
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:51 AM
> > To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > Subject: OT - Version 4 Scoring
> >
> > Does anybody know if any more has been said about the scoring of the
> > version 4
> > lab? I have heard and read that you will need 80 points, but I was
> > wondering
> > if Cisco has or if anybody thinks Cisco will provide any more detail
> > than
> > that.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Nathan Richie
> >
> >
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