Re: cisco lab safe

That would be the architect cert that Cisco was referring to as a PhD
- $15k once you're entered into the program.

On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Donald Virgil <d.virgil88_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> Well M$ now has a Masters program for upwards of 20K for the cert. Maybe
> Cisco is trying to get the CCIE into that range.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 7:16 PM, Wayne Lawson <groupstudy_at_ipexpert.com>wrote:
>
>> Hmmmm....
>>
>> I guess we're seeing the CCIE being converted into the "MCSE of the
>> 90s"....Looks like you can now "buy" your CCIE number if you purchase
>> training from Cisco (afterall - it's all about $$ anyway - right! ;-)....I
>> project the CCIE will be massively devalued within the next 2 years.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Wayne A. Lawson II - CCIE #5244
>> Founder & President - IPexpert, Inc.
>> Mailto: wlawson_at_ipexpert.com
>> Mobile: +1.810.334.1564
>>
>> :: Message sent from iPhone.
>>
>> On Sep 15, 2009, at 7:03 PM, "Brad Ellis" <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com> wrote:
>>
>> Scott is comparing a grey-market program to the Cisco authorized 360
>>> learning program. There are some major changes coming to the CCIE lab
>>> exam. The Cisco 360 Program already has the "inside scoop" on the
>>> changes coming down the pipe. The grey market folks don't have that. If
>>> you want to prepare for your lab exam properly, it's going to become
>>> more and more apparent that the 360 program is the way to go. (One of
>>> the big reasons why we joined the program!)
>>>
>>> This announcement is only one of many things to come. There will be more
>>> and more differentiators that keep making the Cisco 360 Learning Program
>>> increasingly advantageous as the best option for CCIE training over grey
>>> market competition.
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> Brad Ellis
>>> CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
>>> CCSI# 30482
>>> CEO / President
>>> CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP)
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>>> YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Scott Morris
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 3:41 PM
>>> To: armylegionmedic_at_aol.com
>>> Cc: darkfiber08_at_gmail.com; dane.newman_at_gmail.com; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>> Subject: Re: cisco lab safe
>>>
>>> Excellent question on that. The CCIE Essentials, though, is exactly
>>> that from them, the workbooks + videos. So I was putting out the
>>> option. It simply happened to be the least expensive option from us.
>>>
>>> By the way, according to
>>> https://cisco.hosted.jivesoftware.com/docs/DOC-5857, I was incorrect on
>>> my math. You must take ALL FOUR (4 x 349 = $1,400) AND score at least
>>> 80% on one of them. So their minimum investment just became $3,995 +
>>> $1,400 = $5,395.
>>>
>>> Slice it however you want. It's marketing, and I most certainly won't
>>> fault anyone for that! As always, people are capable of making their
>>> own decisions on things! Just do the math.
>>>
>>> I'm not downplaying the program itself. I know too many of the people
>>> involved and respect their capabilities all around. Not all vendors
>>> selling the 360 will be the same, however, which puts a kludge into
>>> things... but as long as you know what you're getting into, you are
>>> welcome to select whichever flavor of apple works best for you! Some
>>> may be more expensive than others despite the pretty sign next to them!
>>>
>>> ;)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
>>>
>>> JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
>>>
>>> JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
>>>
>>> evil_at_ine.com
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> Knowledge is power.
>>>
>>> Power corrupts.
>>>
>>> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> armylegionmedic_at_aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> I mean, maybe this is just me, but the only price that was cheap
>>>> enough to beat Cisco's deal was a CoD and Workkooks, so we arent
>>>> really comparing Apples to Apples are we? If we were to look apples to
>>>> apples or maybe like a Granny Smith vs. Mt. Washington Apple, I think
>>>> that the Cisco 360 offer is looking pretty tempting. The only part
>>>> that I would have to really say competes is the free re-sits. This is
>>>> all IMO, but maybe I am misreading something.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Dark Fiber <darkfiber08_at_gmail.com>
>>>> To: Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com>
>>>> Cc: Dane Newman <dane.newman_at_gmail.com>; Cisco certification
>>>> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>>>> Sent: Tue, Sep 15, 2009 3:25 pm
>>>> Subject: Re: cisco lab safe
>>>>
>>>> If I read that right $3500 and the price of a mock lab might be worth
>>>>
>>> it for
>>>
>>>> a $1400 lab voucher if you fail. Anyone else get the same or did I
>>>>
>>> misread
>>>
>>>> it?
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ok.... So let's do some math on this...
>>>>>
>>>>> CIERS1 = $3,995
>>>>> CIERS2 = $4,500
>>>>> Essentials = $4,550
>>>>>
>>>>> Plus an Assessment lab (minimum 1, possibly more) = $349
>>>>>
>>>>> So at a BARE MINIMUM you are looking at $3,995 + $349 = $4,345 that
>>>>>
>>>> you
>>>
>>>> have to spend in order to get that.
>>>>>
>>>>> For INE's pricing, a bootcamp costs $2,995 (not including any
>>>>> discounts). The mock lab workshop is $3,995 again not counting
>>>>> discounts. The lab workbook set + CoD bundle = $825 + 1,695 or
>>>>>
>>>> $2,520
>>>
>>>> (not including any discounts). A mock lab (minimum 1, possibly
>>>>>
>>>> more) =
>>>
>>>> $129.
>>>>>
>>>>> So on price point alone, you have a minimum comparable spending (not
>>>>> including discounts) of $2,649. That's a grand difference there of
>>>>> $1,696, so you can spring for another lab, not need
>>>>>
>>>> pre-qualification
>>>
>>>> AND save an extra $296 to use towards your
>>>>>
>>>> airfare/hotel/food/whatever....
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Oh yeah, and you don't get re-sits in the 360 program, you can
>>>>>
>>>> attend
>>>
>>>> our classes as many times as you'd like to and whenever you'd like
>>>>>
>>>> to.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> So I'm really thinking that this kind of promotion alone is not
>>>>>
>>>> going to
>>>
>>>> swing someone one way or the other, at least unless they don't do
>>>>>
>>>> math.
>>>
>>>> But I'm sure if you work with our sales department, we would be more
>>>>> than happy to charge you more money and simply spring for a lab
>>>>>
>>>> attempt
>>>
>>>> for you based on certain criteria and select vendors only.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you have any questions on this, feel free to contact me offline,
>>>>>
>>>> I'd
>>>
>>>> be more than happy to cover options with you. I don't see a point
>>>>>
>>>> of
>>>
>>>> dragging this on and on through a technical list (e.g. non-marketing
>>>>>
>>>> list).
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
>>>>>
>>>> #4713,
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
>>>>>
>>>>> JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
>>>>>
>>>>> evil_at_ine.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> Toll Free: 877-224-8987
>>>>>
>>>>> Outside US: 775-826-4344
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Knowledge is power.
>>>>>
>>>>> Power corrupts.
>>>>>
>>>>> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dane Newman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I got the following email below from cisco. All I can say is imo
>>>>>>
>>>>> this
>>>
>>>> will
>>>>>
>>>>>> make it harder on 3rd party vendors sadly that do offer quality
>>>>>>
>>>>> training.
>>>
>>>> The chance to retake the lab for free is worth its weight in gold
>>>>>>
>>>>> for all
>>>
>>>> the stress relief it can bring.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dane
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cisco Lab Safe Promotion: Protect Your Training Investment
>>>>>> Learning_at_Cisco is pleased to introduce the Cisco Lab Safe
>>>>>>
>>>>> promotion. The
>>>
>>>> Cisco Lab Safe promotion allows qualifying Cisco. 360 Learning
>>>>>>
>>>>> Program
>>>
>>>> for
>>>>>
>>>>>> CCIE. Routing & Switching students who don't pass their first CCIE
>>>>>>
>>>>> lab
>>>
>>>> exam
>>>>>
>>>>>> attempt, to retake the CCIE lab exam (a $1,400 US Value) at no
>>>>>>
>>>>> additional
>>>
>>>> cost.
>>>>>> The Cisco 360 Learning Program for R&S guides engineers who have
>>>>>>
>>>>> three to
>>>
>>>> five years of networking experience through an effective,
>>>>>>
>>>>> job-relevant,
>>>
>>>> and
>>>>>
>>>>>> proven program to build expert-level skills and to prepare for the
>>>>>>
>>>>> rigorous
>>>>>
>>>>>> Cisco CCIE R&S certification exams. Together, the Cisco 360
>>>>>>
>>>>> Learning
>>>
>>>> Program for CCIE R&S and the Cisco Lab Safe promotion provide
>>>>>>
>>>>> added
>>>
>>>> assurance in the quality and value of your training investment.
>>>>>> How the Cisco Lab Safe Promotion Works:
>>>>>> Students must meet the following criteria in order to be eligible
>>>>>>
>>>>> for the
>>>
>>>> Cisco Lab Safe promotion:
>>>>>> A recommendation from their instructor
>>>>>> Completed the Cisco 360 Learning Program for CCIE R&S Essentials
>>>>>>
>>>>> Package
>>>
>>>> or
>>>>>
>>>>>> a CIERS instructor-led workshop
>>>>>> Scored 80% or better on one of the CIERS 1-4 performance
>>>>>>
>>>>> assessments
>>>
>>>> Only select Authorized Cisco Learning Partners offer the Cisco 360
>>>>>>
>>>>> Learning
>>>>>
>>>>>> Program curriculum and Cisco Lab Safe promotion.
>>>>>> Find out more about Cisco Lab Safe promotion and the official
>>>>>>
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>>>
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