Re: cisco lab safe

You weren't on the original distribution, or the writer of the direct
e-mail I was replying to... So I don't think so. ;)

It's all good. Fun to watch.

*Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,

JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.

JNCI-M, JNCI-ER

evil_at_ine.com

Internetwork Expert, Inc.

http://www.InternetworkExpert.com

Toll Free: 877-224-8987

Outside US: 775-826-4344

Knowledge is power.

Power corrupts.

Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......

Narbik Kocharians wrote:
> I am sorry Scott, who are you talking to? are you talking to me? Who is
> breaking NDA?
>
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com> wrote:
>
>
>> It's not only not "fair" (isn't all fair in love, war and marketing?)
>> but it's also not accurate. Some of us merely adhere to NDAs better
>> than others do, and don't attempt to rub noses in things.
>>
>> But it's all in the name of fun, right?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
>>
>> JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
>>
>> JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
>>
>> evil_at_ine.com
>>
>>
>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>>
>> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com <http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
>>
>> Toll Free: 877-224-8987
>>
>> Outside US: 775-826-4344
>>
>>
>> Knowledge is power.
>>
>> Power corrupts.
>>
>> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>>
>>
>>
>> Dark Fiber wrote:
>>
>>> I can't see that being fair to bring up right now... What does that
>>> tell people who want to get started today? Wait "X" amount of time
>>> because their is a change coming down the line? If there is a major
>>> change coming down the line why isn't this being told to us right now?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 7:03 PM, Brad Ellis <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com
>>> <mailto:brad_at_ccbootcamp.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Scott is comparing a grey-market program to the Cisco authorized 360
>>> learning program. There are some major changes coming to the CCIE lab
>>> exam. The Cisco 360 Program already has the "inside scoop" on the
>>> changes coming down the pipe. The grey market folks don't have
>>> that. If
>>> you want to prepare for your lab exam properly, it's going to become
>>> more and more apparent that the 360 program is the way to go. (One of
>>> the big reasons why we joined the program!)
>>>
>>> This announcement is only one of many things to come. There will
>>> be more
>>> and more differentiators that keep making the Cisco 360 Learning
>>> Program
>>> increasingly advantageous as the best option for CCIE training
>>> over grey
>>> market competition.
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> Brad Ellis
>>> CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
>>> CCSI# 30482
>>> CEO / President
>>> CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP)
>>> Email: brad_at_ccbootcamp.com <mailto:brad_at_ccbootcamp.com>
>>> Toll Free: 877-654-2243
>>> International: +1-702-968-5100
>>> Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call
>>> FAX: +1-702-446-8012
>>> YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>
>>> [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>] On
>>> Behalf Of
>>> Scott Morris
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 3:41 PM
>>>
>> > To: armylegionmedic_at_aol.com <mailto:armylegionmedic_at_aol.com>
>>
>>> Cc: darkfiber08_at_gmail.com <mailto:darkfiber08_at_gmail.com>;
>>> dane.newman_at_gmail.com <mailto:dane.newman_at_gmail.com>;
>>> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>>> Subject: Re: cisco lab safe
>>>
>>> Excellent question on that. The CCIE Essentials, though, is exactly
>>> that from them, the workbooks + videos. So I was putting out the
>>> option. It simply happened to be the least expensive option from us.
>>>
>>> By the way, according to
>>> https://cisco.hosted.jivesoftware.com/docs/DOC-5857, I was
>>> incorrect on
>>> my math. You must take ALL FOUR (4 x 349 = $1,400) AND score at
>>>
>> least
>>
>>> 80% on one of them. So their minimum investment just became $3,995 +
>>> $1,400 = $5,395.
>>>
>>> Slice it however you want. It's marketing, and I most certainly
>>>
>> won't
>>
>>> fault anyone for that! As always, people are capable of making their
>>> own decisions on things! Just do the math.
>>>
>>> I'm not downplaying the program itself. I know too many of the
>>>
>> people
>>
>>> involved and respect their capabilities all around. Not all vendors
>>> selling the 360 will be the same, however, which puts a kludge into
>>> things... but as long as you know what you're getting into, you are
>>> welcome to select whichever flavor of apple works best for you! Some
>>> may be more expensive than others despite the pretty sign next to
>>> them!
>>>
>>> ;)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
>>> #4713,
>>>
>>> JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
>>>
>>> JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
>>>
>>> evil_at_ine.com <mailto:evil_at_ine.com>
>>>
>>>
>>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>>>
>>> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com<http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
>>>
>>> Toll Free: 877-224-8987
>>>
>>> Outside US: 775-826-4344
>>>
>>>
>>> Knowledge is power.
>>>
>>> Power corrupts.
>>>
>>> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> armylegionmedic_at_aol.com <mailto:armylegionmedic_at_aol.com> wrote:
>>> > I mean, maybe this is just me, but the only price that was cheap
>>> > enough to beat Cisco's deal was a CoD and Workkooks, so we arent
>>> > really comparing Apples to Apples are we? If we were to look
>>> apples to
>>> > apples or maybe like a Granny Smith vs. Mt. Washington Apple, I
>>> think
>>> > that the Cisco 360 offer is looking pretty tempting. The only part
>>> > that I would have to really say competes is the free re-sits.
>>> This is
>>> > all IMO, but maybe I am misreading something.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: Dark Fiber <darkfiber08_at_gmail.com
>>> <mailto:darkfiber08_at_gmail.com>>
>>> > To: Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com <mailto:smorris_at_ine.com>>
>>> > Cc: Dane Newman <dane.newman_at_gmail.com
>>> <mailto:dane.newman_at_gmail.com>>; Cisco certification
>>> > <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>>
>>> > Sent: Tue, Sep 15, 2009 3:25 pm
>>> > Subject: Re: cisco lab safe
>>> >
>>> > If I read that right $3500 and the price of a mock lab might be
>>> worth
>>> it for
>>> > a $1400 lab voucher if you fail. Anyone else get the same or did I
>>> misread
>>> > it?
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com
>>>
>> > <mailto:smorris_at_ine.com>> wrote:
>>
>>> >
>>> > > Ok.... So let's do some math on this...
>>> > >
>>> > > CIERS1 = $3,995
>>> > > CIERS2 = $4,500
>>> > > Essentials = $4,550
>>> > >
>>> > > Plus an Assessment lab (minimum 1, possibly more) = $349
>>> > >
>>> > > So at a BARE MINIMUM you are looking at $3,995 + $349 = $4,345
>>> that
>>> you
>>> > > have to spend in order to get that.
>>> > >
>>> > > For INE's pricing, a bootcamp costs $2,995 (not including any
>>> > > discounts). The mock lab workshop is $3,995 again not counting
>>> > > discounts. The lab workbook set + CoD bundle = $825 + 1,695 or
>>> $2,520
>>> > > (not including any discounts). A mock lab (minimum 1, possibly
>>> more) =
>>> > > $129.
>>> > >
>>> > > So on price point alone, you have a minimum comparable
>>> spending (not
>>> > > including discounts) of $2,649. That's a grand difference
>>> there of
>>> > > $1,696, so you can spring for another lab, not need
>>> pre-qualification
>>> > > AND save an extra $296 to use towards your
>>> airfare/hotel/food/whatever....
>>> > >
>>> > > Oh yeah, and you don't get re-sits in the 360 program, you can
>>> attend
>>> > > our classes as many times as you'd like to and whenever you'd
>>>
>> like
>>
>>> to.
>>> > >
>>> > > So I'm really thinking that this kind of promotion alone is not
>>> going to
>>> > > swing someone one way or the other, at least unless they don't do
>>> math.
>>> > > But I'm sure if you work with our sales department, we would
>>> be more
>>> > > than happy to charge you more money and simply spring for a lab
>>> attempt
>>> > > for you based on certain criteria and select vendors only.
>>> > >
>>> > > If you have any questions on this, feel free to contact me
>>> offline,
>>> I'd
>>> > > be more than happy to cover options with you. I don't see a
>>>
>> point
>>
>>> of
>>> > > dragging this on and on through a technical list (e.g.
>>> non-marketing
>>> list).
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
>>> #4713,
>>> > >
>>> > > JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
>>> > >
>>> > > JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
>>> > >
>>> > > evil_at_ine.com <mailto:evil_at_ine.com>
>>>
>> > > >
>>
>>> > >
>>> > > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>>> > >
>>> > > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com<http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
>>> > >
>>> > > Toll Free: 877-224-8987
>>> > >
>>> > > Outside US: 775-826-4344
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Knowledge is power.
>>> > >
>>> > > Power corrupts.
>>> > >
>>> > > Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Dane Newman wrote:
>>> > > > I got the following email below from cisco. All I can say
>>> is imo
>>> this
>>> > > will
>>> > > > make it harder on 3rd party vendors sadly that do offer quality
>>> training.
>>> > > > The chance to retake the lab for free is worth its weight in
>>> gold
>>> for all
>>> > > > the stress relief it can bring.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Dane
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Cisco Lab Safe Promotion: Protect Your Training Investment
>>> > > > Learning_at_Cisco is pleased to introduce the Cisco Lab Safe
>>> promotion. The
>>> > > > Cisco Lab Safe promotion allows qualifying Cisco. 360 Learning
>>> Program
>>> > > for
>>> > > > CCIE. Routing & Switching students who don't pass their
>>> first CCIE
>>> lab
>>> > > exam
>>> > > > attempt, to retake the CCIE lab exam (a $1,400 US Value) at no
>>> additional
>>> > > > cost.
>>> > > > The Cisco 360 Learning Program for R&S guides engineers who
>>>
>> have
>>
>>> three to
>>> > > > five years of networking experience through an effective,
>>> job-relevant,
>>> > > and
>>> > > > proven program to build expert-level skills and to prepare
>>> for the
>>> > > rigorous
>>> > > > Cisco CCIE R&S certification exams. Together, the Cisco 360
>>> Learning
>>> > > > Program for CCIE R&S and the Cisco Lab Safe promotion provide
>>> added
>>> > > > assurance in the quality and value of your training investment.
>>> > > > How the Cisco Lab Safe Promotion Works:
>>> > > > Students must meet the following criteria in order to be
>>> eligible
>>> for the
>>> > > > Cisco Lab Safe promotion:
>>> > > > A recommendation from their instructor
>>> > > > Completed the Cisco 360 Learning Program for CCIE R&S
>>>
>> Essentials
>>
>>> Package
>>> > > or
>>> > > > a CIERS instructor-led workshop
>>> > > > Scored 80% or better on one of the CIERS 1-4 performance
>>> assessments
>>> > > > Only select Authorized Cisco Learning Partners offer the
>>> Cisco 360
>>> > > Learning
>>> > > > Program curriculum and Cisco Lab Safe promotion.
>>> > > > Find out more about Cisco Lab Safe promotion and the official
>>> terms and
>>> > > > conditions on the Cisco Learning Network.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Subscribe to CiscoUnsubscribe from CiscoPrivacy Statement
>>> > > > Subscribe to receive emails and newsletters from Cisco.
>>> > > > Or modify your profile, subscriptions, and preferences if
>>>
>> you're
>>
>>> already
>>> > > a
>>> > > > Cisco customer.To no longer receive these messages from Cisco.
>>> Please
>>> > > allow
>>> > > > 7-10 business days for changes to take effect.Read more
>>> about our
>>> privacy
>>> > > > statement.
>>> > > > Please do not reply to this email for support. To view
>>> answers to
>>> > > commonly
>>> > > > asked questions regarding the Cisco Certification Program or to
>>> request
>>> > > > assistance related to this email, visit the Certification
>>>
>> Online
>>
>>> Support
>>> > > > tool at www.cisco.com/go/certsupport
>>> <http://www.cisco.com/go/certsupport>.
>>>
>> > > > >
>>
>>> > > > Copyright (C) 2008, Cisco Systems, Inc. All rights reserved.
>>> Cisco, the
>>> > > > Cisco logo, and Cisco Systems are registered trademarks of
>>>
>> Cisco
>>
>>> Systems,
>>> > > > Inc. and/or its affiliates in the United States and certain
>>> other
>>> > > countries.
>>> > > > Cisco Systems, Inc. 170 West Tasman Drive, San Jose, California
>>> 95134
>>> > > ATTN:
>>> > > > Corporate Marketing (SJC08/3/4)
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________________________________
>>
>>> > > > Subscription information may be found at:
>>> > > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________________________________
>>
>>> > > Subscription information may be found at:
>>> > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________________________________
>>
>>> > Subscription information may be found at:
>>> > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html
>>>
>>>
>>> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________________________________
>>
>>> Subscription information may be found at:
>>> http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html
>>>
>> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
>>
>> _______________________________________________________________________
>> Subscription information may be found at:
>> http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html

Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
Received on Tue Sep 15 2009 - 21:15:10 ART