Re: cisco lab safe

No Brad from ccbootcamp said something in one of his emails earlier about
360 vendors having an inside scoop to changes coming down the pipe.

On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 8:12 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> I am sorry Scott, who are you talking to? are you talking to me? Who is
> breaking NDA?
>
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com> wrote:
>
>> It's not only not "fair" (isn't all fair in love, war and marketing?)
>> but it's also not accurate. Some of us merely adhere to NDAs better
>> than others do, and don't attempt to rub noses in things.
>>
>> But it's all in the name of fun, right?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
>>
>> JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
>>
>> JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
>>
>> evil_at_ine.com
>>
>>
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>>
>> Knowledge is power.
>>
>> Power corrupts.
>>
>> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>>
>>
>>
>> Dark Fiber wrote:
>> > I can't see that being fair to bring up right now... What does that
>> > tell people who want to get started today? Wait "X" amount of time
>> > because their is a change coming down the line? If there is a major
>> > change coming down the line why isn't this being told to us right now?
>> >
>> > On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 7:03 PM, Brad Ellis <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com
>> > <mailto:brad_at_ccbootcamp.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Scott is comparing a grey-market program to the Cisco authorized 360
>> > learning program. There are some major changes coming to the CCIE
>> lab
>> > exam. The Cisco 360 Program already has the "inside scoop" on the
>> > changes coming down the pipe. The grey market folks don't have
>> > that. If
>> > you want to prepare for your lab exam properly, it's going to become
>> > more and more apparent that the 360 program is the way to go. (One
>> of
>> > the big reasons why we joined the program!)
>> >
>> > This announcement is only one of many things to come. There will
>> > be more
>> > and more differentiators that keep making the Cisco 360 Learning
>> > Program
>> > increasingly advantageous as the best option for CCIE training
>> > over grey
>> > market competition.
>> >
>> > thanks,
>> > Brad Ellis
>> > CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
>> > CCSI# 30482
>> > CEO / President
>> > CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP)
>> > Email: brad_at_ccbootcamp.com <mailto:brad_at_ccbootcamp.com>
>> > Toll Free: 877-654-2243
>> > International: +1-702-968-5100
>> > Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call
>> > FAX: +1-702-446-8012
>> > YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>
>> > [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>] On
>> > Behalf Of
>> > Scott Morris
>> > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 3:41 PM
>> > To: armylegionmedic_at_aol.com <mailto:armylegionmedic_at_aol.com>
>> > Cc: darkfiber08_at_gmail.com <mailto:darkfiber08_at_gmail.com>;
>> > dane.newman_at_gmail.com <mailto:dane.newman_at_gmail.com>;
>> > ccielab_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>> > Subject: Re: cisco lab safe
>> >
>> > Excellent question on that. The CCIE Essentials, though, is exactly
>> > that from them, the workbooks + videos. So I was putting out the
>> > option. It simply happened to be the least expensive option from
>> us.
>> >
>> > By the way, according to
>> > https://cisco.hosted.jivesoftware.com/docs/DOC-5857, I was
>> > incorrect on
>> > my math. You must take ALL FOUR (4 x 349 = $1,400) AND score at
>> least
>> > 80% on one of them. So their minimum investment just became $3,995
>> +
>> > $1,400 = $5,395.
>> >
>> > Slice it however you want. It's marketing, and I most certainly
>> won't
>> > fault anyone for that! As always, people are capable of making
>> their
>> > own decisions on things! Just do the math.
>> >
>> > I'm not downplaying the program itself. I know too many of the
>> people
>> > involved and respect their capabilities all around. Not all vendors
>> > selling the 360 will be the same, however, which puts a kludge into
>> > things... but as long as you know what you're getting into, you are
>> > welcome to select whichever flavor of apple works best for you!
>> Some
>> > may be more expensive than others despite the pretty sign next to
>> > them!
>> >
>> > ;)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
>> > #4713,
>> >
>> > JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
>> >
>> > JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
>> >
>> > evil_at_ine.com <mailto:evil_at_ine.com>
>> >
>> >
>> > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>> >
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>> >
>> > Toll Free: 877-224-8987
>> >
>> > Outside US: 775-826-4344
>> >
>> >
>> > Knowledge is power.
>> >
>> > Power corrupts.
>> >
>> > Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > armylegionmedic_at_aol.com <mailto:armylegionmedic_at_aol.com> wrote:
>> > > I mean, maybe this is just me, but the only price that was cheap
>> > > enough to beat Cisco's deal was a CoD and Workkooks, so we arent
>> > > really comparing Apples to Apples are we? If we were to look
>> > apples to
>> > > apples or maybe like a Granny Smith vs. Mt. Washington Apple, I
>> > think
>> > > that the Cisco 360 offer is looking pretty tempting. The only part
>> > > that I would have to really say competes is the free re-sits.
>> > This is
>> > > all IMO, but maybe I am misreading something.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: Dark Fiber <darkfiber08_at_gmail.com
>> > <mailto:darkfiber08_at_gmail.com>>
>> > > To: Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com <mailto:smorris_at_ine.com>>
>> > > Cc: Dane Newman <dane.newman_at_gmail.com
>> > <mailto:dane.newman_at_gmail.com>>; Cisco certification
>> > > <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>>
>> > > Sent: Tue, Sep 15, 2009 3:25 pm
>> > > Subject: Re: cisco lab safe
>> > >
>> > > If I read that right $3500 and the price of a mock lab might be
>> > worth
>> > it for
>> > > a $1400 lab voucher if you fail. Anyone else get the same or did I
>> > misread
>> > > it?
>> > >
>> > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com
>> > <mailto:smorris_at_ine.com>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Ok.... So let's do some math on this...
>> > > >
>> > > > CIERS1 = $3,995
>> > > > CIERS2 = $4,500
>> > > > Essentials = $4,550
>> > > >
>> > > > Plus an Assessment lab (minimum 1, possibly more) = $349
>> > > >
>> > > > So at a BARE MINIMUM you are looking at $3,995 + $349 = $4,345
>> > that
>> > you
>> > > > have to spend in order to get that.
>> > > >
>> > > > For INE's pricing, a bootcamp costs $2,995 (not including any
>> > > > discounts). The mock lab workshop is $3,995 again not counting
>> > > > discounts. The lab workbook set + CoD bundle = $825 + 1,695 or
>> > $2,520
>> > > > (not including any discounts). A mock lab (minimum 1, possibly
>> > more) =
>> > > > $129.
>> > > >
>> > > > So on price point alone, you have a minimum comparable
>> > spending (not
>> > > > including discounts) of $2,649. That's a grand difference
>> > there of
>> > > > $1,696, so you can spring for another lab, not need
>> > pre-qualification
>> > > > AND save an extra $296 to use towards your
>> > airfare/hotel/food/whatever....
>> > > >
>> > > > Oh yeah, and you don't get re-sits in the 360 program, you can
>> > attend
>> > > > our classes as many times as you'd like to and whenever you'd
>> like
>> > to.
>> > > >
>> > > > So I'm really thinking that this kind of promotion alone is not
>> > going to
>> > > > swing someone one way or the other, at least unless they don't
>> do
>> > math.
>> > > > But I'm sure if you work with our sales department, we would
>> > be more
>> > > > than happy to charge you more money and simply spring for a lab
>> > attempt
>> > > > for you based on certain criteria and select vendors only.
>> > > >
>> > > > If you have any questions on this, feel free to contact me
>> > offline,
>> > I'd
>> > > > be more than happy to cover options with you. I don't see a
>> point
>> > of
>> > > > dragging this on and on through a technical list (e.g.
>> > non-marketing
>> > list).
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service
>> Provider)
>> > #4713,
>> > > >
>> > > > JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
>> > > >
>> > > > JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
>> > > >
>> > > > evil_at_ine.com <mailto:evil_at_ine.com>
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>> > > >
>> > > > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com<http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
>> > > >
>> > > > Toll Free: 877-224-8987
>> > > >
>> > > > Outside US: 775-826-4344
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Knowledge is power.
>> > > >
>> > > > Power corrupts.
>> > > >
>> > > > Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Dane Newman wrote:
>> > > > > I got the following email below from cisco. All I can say
>> > is imo
>> > this
>> > > > will
>> > > > > make it harder on 3rd party vendors sadly that do offer
>> quality
>> > training.
>> > > > > The chance to retake the lab for free is worth its weight in
>> > gold
>> > for all
>> > > > > the stress relief it can bring.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Dane
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Cisco Lab Safe Promotion: Protect Your Training Investment
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>> > > > > Cisco Lab Safe promotion allows qualifying Cisco. 360 Learning
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>> > > > for
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>> > lab
>> > > > exam
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