Re: cisco lab safe

Hmmmm....

If that's true - and you really believe it -then why are you paying
Cisco a large sum of money to use the content your competitor developed?

We all know you're a great instructor - why pay Cisco for something
that doesn't matter (according to your email below). Why leave cash on
the table?

Regards,

Wayne A. Lawson II - CCIE #5244
Founder & President - IPexpert, Inc.
Mailto: wlawson_at_ipexpert.com
Mobile: +1.810.334.1564

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On Sep 15, 2009, at 7:32 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
wrote:

> NO no no no
> There are few issues, let me clarify them for you:
>
> First of all, the student has to score 80 points or better in the
> assessment lab that's at the end of CIERS-1 work book, if he/she
> scores less than 80 points, that will disqualify that student from
> the FREE voucher system, this person has one shot.
>
> Secondly, Dark Fiber, my program is very different to what the other
> vendors are offering, EVEN though i offer the 360 program, my
> teaching style has NOT and WILL NOT change, MY work books will be
> given to the students (The Advanced CCIE R&S 2.0 + the NEW Boot camp
> 2.0 work books), the students get access to the 360 rack and
> materials as well.
>
> Third issue, CCIE WILL NEVER be MCSE (if i am reading your
> philosophy correctly).
>
> Forth issue: you are all missing the point here, ITS NOT the vendor,
> mate, it is NOT the vendor, its NOT authorized versus UNAuthorized,
> its like purchasing real estate, in real estate they say "Location,
> Location,Location" in this field its "Instructor, Instructor,
> Instructor".
>
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Wayne Lawson
> <groupstudy_at_ipexpert.com> wrote:
> Hmmmm....
>
> I guess we're seeing the CCIE being converted into the "MCSE of the
> 90s"....Looks like you can now "buy" your CCIE number if you
> purchase training from Cisco (afterall - it's all about $$ anyway -
> right! ;-)....I project the CCIE will be massively devalued within
> the next 2 years.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Wayne A. Lawson II - CCIE #5244
> Founder & President - IPexpert, Inc.
> Mailto: wlawson_at_ipexpert.com
> Mobile: +1.810.334.1564
>
> :: Message sent from iPhone.
>
> On Sep 15, 2009, at 7:03 PM, "Brad Ellis" <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com> wrote:
>
> Scott is comparing a grey-market program to the Cisco authorized 360
> learning program. There are some major changes coming to the CCIE lab
> exam. The Cisco 360 Program already has the "inside scoop" on the
> changes coming down the pipe. The grey market folks don't have that.
> If
> you want to prepare for your lab exam properly, it's going to become
> more and more apparent that the 360 program is the way to go. (One of
> the big reasons why we joined the program!)
>
> This announcement is only one of many things to come. There will be
> more
> and more differentiators that keep making the Cisco 360 Learning
> Program
> increasingly advantageous as the best option for CCIE training over
> grey
> market competition.
>
> thanks,
> Brad Ellis
> CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
> CCSI# 30482
> CEO / President
> CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP)
> Email: brad_at_ccbootcamp.com
> Toll Free: 877-654-2243
> International: +1-702-968-5100
> Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call
> FAX: +1-702-446-8012
> YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> Scott Morris
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 3:41 PM
> To: armylegionmedic_at_aol.com
> Cc: darkfiber08_at_gmail.com; dane.newman_at_gmail.com; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: cisco lab safe
>
> Excellent question on that. The CCIE Essentials, though, is exactly
> that from them, the workbooks + videos. So I was putting out the
> option. It simply happened to be the least expensive option from us.
>
> By the way, according to
> https://cisco.hosted.jivesoftware.com/docs/DOC-5857, I was incorrect
> on
> my math. You must take ALL FOUR (4 x 349 = $1,400) AND score at least
> 80% on one of them. So their minimum investment just became $3,995 +
> $1,400 = $5,395.
>
> Slice it however you want. It's marketing, and I most certainly won't
> fault anyone for that! As always, people are capable of making their
> own decisions on things! Just do the math.
>
> I'm not downplaying the program itself. I know too many of the people
> involved and respect their capabilities all around. Not all vendors
> selling the 360 will be the same, however, which puts a kludge into
> things... but as long as you know what you're getting into, you are
> welcome to select whichever flavor of apple works best for you! Some
> may be more expensive than others despite the pretty sign next to
> them!
>
> ;)
>
>
>
>
> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
> #4713,
>
> JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
>
> JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
>
> evil_at_ine.com
>
>
> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>
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>
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>
> Outside US: 775-826-4344
>
>
> Knowledge is power.
>
> Power corrupts.
>
> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>
>
>
> armylegionmedic_at_aol.com wrote:
> I mean, maybe this is just me, but the only price that was cheap
> enough to beat Cisco's deal was a CoD and Workkooks, so we arent
> really comparing Apples to Apples are we? If we were to look apples to
> apples or maybe like a Granny Smith vs. Mt. Washington Apple, I think
> that the Cisco 360 offer is looking pretty tempting. The only part
> that I would have to really say competes is the free re-sits. This is
> all IMO, but maybe I am misreading something.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dark Fiber <darkfiber08_at_gmail.com>
> To: Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com>
> Cc: Dane Newman <dane.newman_at_gmail.com>; Cisco certification
> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Tue, Sep 15, 2009 3:25 pm
> Subject: Re: cisco lab safe
>
> If I read that right $3500 and the price of a mock lab might be worth
> it for
> a $1400 lab voucher if you fail. Anyone else get the same or did I
> misread
> it?
>
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com> wrote:
>
> Ok.... So let's do some math on this...
>
> CIERS1 = $3,995
> CIERS2 = $4,500
> Essentials = $4,550
>
> Plus an Assessment lab (minimum 1, possibly more) = $349
>
> So at a BARE MINIMUM you are looking at $3,995 + $349 = $4,345 that
> you
> have to spend in order to get that.
>
> For INE's pricing, a bootcamp costs $2,995 (not including any
> discounts). The mock lab workshop is $3,995 again not counting
> discounts. The lab workbook set + CoD bundle = $825 + 1,695 or
> $2,520
> (not including any discounts). A mock lab (minimum 1, possibly
> more) =
> $129.
>
> So on price point alone, you have a minimum comparable spending (not
> including discounts) of $2,649. That's a grand difference there of
> $1,696, so you can spring for another lab, not need
> pre-qualification
> AND save an extra $296 to use towards your
> airfare/hotel/food/whatever....
>
> Oh yeah, and you don't get re-sits in the 360 program, you can
> attend
> our classes as many times as you'd like to and whenever you'd like
> to.
>
> So I'm really thinking that this kind of promotion alone is not
> going to
> swing someone one way or the other, at least unless they don't do
> math.
> But I'm sure if you work with our sales department, we would be more
> than happy to charge you more money and simply spring for a lab
> attempt
> for you based on certain criteria and select vendors only.
>
> If you have any questions on this, feel free to contact me offline,
> I'd
> be more than happy to cover options with you. I don't see a point
> of
> dragging this on and on through a technical list (e.g. non-marketing
> list).
>
>
>
>
> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
> #4713,
>
> JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
>
> JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
>
> evil_at_ine.com
>
>
> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>
> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
>
> Toll Free: 877-224-8987
>
> Outside US: 775-826-4344
>
>
> Knowledge is power.
>
> Power corrupts.
>
> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>
>
>
> Dane Newman wrote:
> I got the following email below from cisco. All I can say is imo
> this
> will
> make it harder on 3rd party vendors sadly that do offer quality
> training.
> The chance to retake the lab for free is worth its weight in gold
> for all
> the stress relief it can bring.
>
> Dane
>
>
>
> Cisco Lab Safe Promotion: Protect Your Training Investment
> Learning_at_Cisco is pleased to introduce the Cisco Lab Safe
> promotion. The
> Cisco Lab Safe promotion allows qualifying Cisco. 360 Learning
> Program
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> CCIE. Routing & Switching students who don't pass their first CCIE
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> exam
> attempt, to retake the CCIE lab exam (a $1,400 US Value) at no
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> Completed the Cisco 360 Learning Program for CCIE R&S Essentials
> Package
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> Scored 80% or better on one of the CIERS 1-4 performance
> assessments
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