Re: cisco lab safe

Excellent question on that. The CCIE Essentials, though, is exactly
that from them, the workbooks + videos. So I was putting out the
option. It simply happened to be the least expensive option from us.

By the way, according to
https://cisco.hosted.jivesoftware.com/docs/DOC-5857, I was incorrect on
my math. You must take ALL FOUR (4 x 349 = $1,400) AND score at least
80% on one of them. So their minimum investment just became $3,995 +
$1,400 = $5,395.

Slice it however you want. It's marketing, and I most certainly won't
fault anyone for that! As always, people are capable of making their
own decisions on things! Just do the math.

I'm not downplaying the program itself. I know too many of the people
involved and respect their capabilities all around. Not all vendors
selling the 360 will be the same, however, which puts a kludge into
things... but as long as you know what you're getting into, you are
welcome to select whichever flavor of apple works best for you! Some
may be more expensive than others despite the pretty sign next to them!

;)

*Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,

JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.

JNCI-M, JNCI-ER

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armylegionmedic_at_aol.com wrote:
> I mean, maybe this is just me, but the only price that was cheap
> enough to beat Cisco's deal was a CoD and Workkooks, so we arent
> really comparing Apples to Apples are we? If we were to look apples to
> apples or maybe like a Granny Smith vs. Mt. Washington Apple, I think
> that the Cisco 360 offer is looking pretty tempting. The only part
> that I would have to really say competes is the free re-sits. This is
> all IMO, but maybe I am misreading something.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dark Fiber <darkfiber08_at_gmail.com>
> To: Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com>
> Cc: Dane Newman <dane.newman_at_gmail.com>; Cisco certification
> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Tue, Sep 15, 2009 3:25 pm
> Subject: Re: cisco lab safe
>
> If I read that right $3500 and the price of a mock lab might be worth it for
> a $1400 lab voucher if you fail. Anyone else get the same or did I misread
> it?
>
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com> wrote:
>
> > Ok.... So let's do some math on this...
> >
> > CIERS1 = $3,995
> > CIERS2 = $4,500
> > Essentials = $4,550
> >
> > Plus an Assessment lab (minimum 1, possibly more) = $349
> >
> > So at a BARE MINIMUM you are looking at $3,995 + $349 = $4,345 that you
> > have to spend in order to get that.
> >
> > For INE's pricing, a bootcamp costs $2,995 (not including any
> > discounts). The mock lab workshop is $3,995 again not counting
> > discounts. The lab workbook set + CoD bundle = $825 + 1,695 or $2,520
> > (not including any discounts). A mock lab (minimum 1, possibly more) =
> > $129.
> >
> > So on price point alone, you have a minimum comparable spending (not
> > including discounts) of $2,649. That's a grand difference there of
> > $1,696, so you can spring for another lab, not need pre-qualification
> > AND save an extra $296 to use towards your airfare/hotel/food/whatever....
> >
> > Oh yeah, and you don't get re-sits in the 360 program, you can attend
> > our classes as many times as you'd like to and whenever you'd like to.
> >
> > So I'm really thinking that this kind of promotion alone is not going to
> > swing someone one way or the other, at least unless they don't do math.
> > But I'm sure if you work with our sales department, we would be more
> > than happy to charge you more money and simply spring for a lab attempt
> > for you based on certain criteria and select vendors only.
> >
> > If you have any questions on this, feel free to contact me offline, I'd
> > be more than happy to cover options with you. I don't see a point of
> > dragging this on and on through a technical list (e.g. non-marketing list).
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
> >
> > JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
> >
> > JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
> >
> > evil_at_ine.com
> >
> >
> > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> >
> > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
> >
> > Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> >
> > Outside US: 775-826-4344
> >
> >
> > Knowledge is power.
> >
> > Power corrupts.
> >
> > Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
> >
> >
> >
> > Dane Newman wrote:
> > > I got the following email below from cisco. All I can say is imo this
> > will
> > > make it harder on 3rd party vendors sadly that do offer quality training.
> > > The chance to retake the lab for free is worth its weight in gold for all
> > > the stress relief it can bring.
> > >
> > > Dane
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cisco Lab Safe Promotion: Protect Your Training Investment
> > > Learning_at_Cisco is pleased to introduce the Cisco Lab Safe promotion. The
> > > Cisco Lab Safe promotion allows qualifying Cisco. 360 Learning Program
> > for
> > > CCIE. Routing & Switching students who don't pass their first CCIE lab
> > exam
> > > attempt, to retake the CCIE lab exam (a $1,400 US Value) at no additional
> > > cost.
> > > The Cisco 360 Learning Program for R&S guides engineers who have three to
> > > five years of networking experience through an effective, job-relevant,
> > and
> > > proven program to build expert-level skills and to prepare for the
> > rigorous
> > > Cisco CCIE R&S certification exams. Together, the Cisco 360 Learning
> > > Program for CCIE R&S and the Cisco Lab Safe promotion provide added
> > > assurance in the quality and value of your training investment.
> > > How the Cisco Lab Safe Promotion Works:
> > > Students must meet the following criteria in order to be eligible for the
> > > Cisco Lab Safe promotion:
> > > A recommendation from their instructor
> > > Completed the Cisco 360 Learning Program for CCIE R&S Essentials Package
> > or
> > > a CIERS instructor-led workshop
> > > Scored 80% or better on one of the CIERS 1-4 performance assessments
> > > Only select Authorized Cisco Learning Partners offer the Cisco 360
> > Learning
> > > Program curriculum and Cisco Lab Safe promotion.
> > > Find out more about Cisco Lab Safe promotion and the official terms and
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