Re: R&S 4.0 blueprint

Sup Joe,

  I'm taking RnS for the second time in Dec. Might go to INE or Narbikks
boot camp beforehand.

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Joseph L. Brunner
<joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>wrote:

> Are you taking Service Provider?
>
> The MPLS part of 4.0 can be passed by knowing the CCNP ISCW track's
> practical implementation. That might be a better use of time for someone
> seeking the CCIE R/S
>
> -Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Michael Jones
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 4:13 PM
> To: Nadeem Rafi
> Cc: Charles.Henson_at_regions.com; Darby Weaver; ALL From_NJ; abderrahim
> sadki; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com; Christopher Copley; iwan_at_ipexpert.com;
> jastorino_at_ipexpert.com; Marko Milivojevic; michael haynes; Narbik
> Kocharians; netwkengr_at_gmail.com; nobody_at_groupstudy.com; smorris_at_ine.com
> Subject: Re: R&S 4.0 blueprint
>
> If you can't answer OEQ, you're not a CCIE.
>
> The same people who are disgruntled about OEQ, will praise it once they
> become CCIE and the numbers remain low because of the very questions that
> caused hurdles for them in the first place.
>
> I went to UPENN and the biggest lesson I learned there, was that things
> like
> OEQ, are nothing more than walls/deterrents to thwart off the weak. These
> mentioned walls only measure how high you'll climb to get to your
> destination.
>
> Oh well, back to listening to Boards of Canada and reading the DOC CD on
> MPLS.
>
> :)
>
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Nadeem Rafi <nrafia_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > wise will not book for at least before January....
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:05 PM, <Charles.Henson_at_regions.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Some of this is actually serving my point. How deep can you get with a
> >> ground up build out of a lab in 5.5 hours? Sure. It's the CCIE exam.
> >> ANYTHING GOES. But I'm very curious how this will work out. Looking
> >> forward
> >> to hearing feedback (non-NDA of course) from late Octobers first
> victims.
> >> I'm not even scheduling a lab for V4 until I hear back from some
> survivors
> >> (passed or not) on how it was.
> >>
> >> Charles
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Darby Weaver <darby.weaver_at_gmail.com>
> >>
> >> To: Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
> >>
> >> Cc: Christopher Copley <copley.chris_at_gmail.com>, michael
> haynes
> >> <mghaynes_at_gmail.com>,
> >> Charles.Henson_at_regions.com, ALL From_NJ <
> >> all.from.nj_at_gmail.com>, abderrahim sadki <a_sadki1_at_hotmail.com>,
> >> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com, iwan_at_ipexpert.com,
> >> jastorino_at_ipexpert.com, majonestx_at_gmail.com, Marko Milivojevic
> >> <markom_at_markom.info>, netwkengr_at_gmail.com,
> >> nobody_at_groupstudy.com, smorris_at_ine.com
> >>
> >> Date: 09/14/2009 02:40 PM
> >>
> >> Subject: Re: R&S 4.0 blueprint
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Ummm...
> >>
> >> Unless you fail...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> Don't worry if you have done the right thing during your studies/Prep,
> >> you will pass with no problems, it will be ridiculously easy.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Christopher Copley <
> >> copley.chris_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >> This new trouble shoot section just made me think. Is it only going
> to
> >> be just trouble shooting IOS issues, or will they make you trouble
> shoot
> >> physical issue as well (i.e. disconnected cables, broken serial pins,
> >> etc). I am not 100% sure, but if my memory serves me I think that a
> >> CCIE friend of mine that passed the 2 day lab, said that they would
> make
> >> you trouble shoot physical issues as well.
> >> Any thoughts?
> >>
> >> Chris
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 1:43 PM, michael haynes <mghaynes_at_gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> My wife and I often say to each other we wish Cisco would bring back
> >> the two day lab. Yes, it would be a bit more painful to go through
> >> for the student, a bit more painful for the proctor to grade and
> >> participate in, but I don't think there'd be much discussion that
> the
> >> candidate knew what they were talking about.
> >>
> >> This new troubleshooting portion just doesn't have the same glamour
> as
> >> the old test ;)
> >>
> >> Michael
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 1:35 PM, <Charles.Henson_at_regions.com>
> wrote:
> >> I think it's funny how this thread is pretty clear that with the
> >> breadth of
> >> features and functions you could be tested on and the new timeline
> >> you have
> >> given the troubleshooting portion that the "depth" of each area
> will
> >> be
> >> "basic". I agree that there is so much to cover and not enough time
> >> to pack
> >> it all in to one 8 hour test. I also agree that anyone passing the
> >> 4.0 lab
> >> still should be respected. But you have to admit the irony of a
> CCIE
> >> (EXPERT) groupstudy lab discussion pointing out the "basic" depth
> of
> >> features and technologies.
> >>
> >> Anyone for bringing back the two day lab? :) I kid I kid... Let me
> >> pass
> >> first....
> >>
> >> Charles From: ALL From_NJ <all.from.nj_at_gmail.com> To:
> >> Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com> Cc: Marko
> Milivojevic
> >> <
> >> markom_at_markom.info>, abderrahim sadki <a_sadki1_at_hotmail.com>,
> >> netwkengr_at_gmail.com, jastorino_at_ipexpert.com,
> >> darby.weaver_at_gmail.com, smorris_at_ine.com, majonestx_at_gmail.com,
> >> iwan_at_ipexpert.com,
> >> copley.chris_at_gmail.com, ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> >>
> >> Date: 09/14/2009 11:52 AM
> >>
> >> Subject: Re: R&S 4.0 blueprint
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Things get even more fun when you add / combine / cloud / muddy up
> >> the
> >> waters by including port security and dot1x ...
> >>
> >> lol ...
> >>
> >> Yep, not much here. "nothing to see folks, move along"
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Narbik Kocharians
> >> <narbikk_at_gmail.com>wrote:
> >>
> >> > hahahaha they should add some more
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Marko Milivojevic <
> >> markom_at_markom.info
> >> > >wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 13:10, abderrahim sadki <
> >> a_sadki1_at_hotmail.com>
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > > > Hi all,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I have a silly question.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > should we focus our studies according to the blueprint ? As
> >> when I
> >> > > looked
> >> > > > at it , I don' t see much of layer 2 technology for example.
> >> > >
> >> > > If we exclude:
> >> > >
> >> > > 1.00 Implement Layer 2 Technologies
> >> > >
> >> > > 1.10 Implement Spanning Tree Protocol (STP)
> >> > > (a) 802.1d
> >> > > (b) 802.1w
> >> > > (c) 801.1s
> >> > > (d) Loop guard
> >> > > (e) Root guard
> >> > > (f) Bridge protocol data unit (BPDU) guard
> >> > > (g) Storm control
> >> > > (h) Unicast flooding
> >> > > (i) Port roles, failure propagation, and loop guard operation
> >> > >
> >> > > 1.20 Implement VLAN and VLAN Trunking Protocol (VTP)
> >> > >
> >> > > 1.30 Implement trunk and trunk protocols, EtherChannel, and
> >> > load-balance
> >> > >
> >> > > 1.40 Implement Ethernet technologies
> >> > > (a) Speed and duplex
> >> > > (b) Ethernet, Fast Ethernet, and Gigabit Ethernet
> >> > > (c) PPP over Ethernet (PPPoE)
> >> > >
> >> > > 1.50 Implement Switched Port Analyzer (SPAN), Remote
> Switched
> >> Port
> >> > > Analyzer (RSPAN), and flow control
> >> > >
> >> > > 1.60 Implement Frame Relay
> >> > > (a) Local Management Interface (LMI)
> >> > > (b) Traffic shaping
> >> > > (c) Full mesh
> >> > > (d) Hub and spoke
> >> > > (e) Discard eligible (DE)
> >> > >
> >> > > 1.70 Implement High-Level Data Link Control (HDLC) and PPP
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > you are quite right - there are not that many left :-)
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > > Marko
> >> > > CCIE #18427 (SP)
> >> > > My network blog: http://cisco.markom.info/
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Narbik Kocharians
> >> > CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
> >> > www.MicronicsTraining.com
> >> > Sr. Technical Instructor
> >> >
> >> >
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