Re: CCDE Boot Camp

Right now a CCDE is equivalent to a CCIE for meeting channel
requirements. Not everyone works for a partner and not everyone
pursues a cert solely because of the financial benefits. I just want
to be a certified network designer at the expert level. With that
said, you make a valid point about the Architect cert (that
technically doesn't even exist yet), but I think you can expect the
channel requirements to change over the next few years (so I hear).

Thanks,
Ronnie

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> The benefit is you get your money in the economy.
> I find CCDE and CCA useless for now.
>
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:01 AM, Huzefa <ratlamwala.huzefa_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Guys,
>> What financial benefits do a partner get if they hire a CCDE/CCA ? Do they
>> get more discounts on Cisco's products.
>> I don't see any reason pursuing CCDE/CCA if there is no financial benefits
>> to both, the partner and us.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com> wrote:
>>
>> > The scope of the RCDD is a little different, but interesting thought.
>> >
>> > As for courseware then test, I STRONGLY disagree with that. At least at
>> > an expert level. I'm not incredibly keen about it on any level, but
>> > that's not really my call (train's already left the station). A SKILL
>> > assessment or thought-process assessment is not something magically
>> > contained in a course. Memorizing a checklist on page 86 should NOT be
>> > the answer to a question. But that's just my thinking.
>> >
>> > The old days were better when the CCIE group's mantra was the assess the
>> > skills of experts, not be mired in the who is teaching whom or how to
>> > test specific pieces about what's fair or what isn't.
>> >
>> > Just my two cents.
>> >
>> > And I'm sure "some" people have done things using lower-certified
>> > folks. And there may well be well-qualified folks with only lower
>> > certifications, but it seems a little hypocritical to say "come use our
>> > material to pass this lab, but pay no attention to the fact that it
>> > hasn't worked for our folks who wrote it".
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
>> >
>> > JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
>> >
>> > JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
>> >
>> > evil_at_ine.com
>> >
>> >
>> > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>> >
>> > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com <http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
>> >
>> > Toll Free: 877-224-8987
>> >
>> > Outside US: 775-826-4344
>> >
>> >
>> > Knowledge is power.
>> >
>> > Power corrupts.
>> >
>> > Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Darby Weaver wrote:
>> > > Hey...
>> > >
>> > > Be nice...
>> > >
>> > > Some people have used CCNP's to write CCIE Courseware and so it stands
>> > > to reason that CCDP's could write CCDE Courseware too. I mean if some
>> > > CLP's follow the same logic...
>> > >
>> > > But who has been to the class and passed and would pin a testimonial
>> > > on it saying it is the way to go?
>> > >
>> > > Hmm...
>> > >
>> > > The CCDE is still Beta by any standards.
>> > >
>> > > I find it amazingly interesting that we have the one industry that
>> > > writes a certification first and then the courseware (if any) after
>> > > the fact and the NDA has been laid down.
>> > >
>> > > Shouldn't the courseware come first and then the exam content which
>> > > was based on the courseware?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > There is always the SRND and CVD materials - but they are free. From
>> > > what I saw of the CCDE, I'd say a good solid grasp of BICSI RCDD
>> > > courseware might come in handy too.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 7:45 PM, Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com
>> > > <mailto:smorris_at_ine.com>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > "Cisco Authorized" as in taught by a CLP is a far cry from a "Cisco
>> > > Authorized CCDE Practical Bootcamp".
>> > >
>> > > Do you actually have a real CCDE teaching it? Like someone who's
>> > > passed
>> > > both the written AND practical?
>> > >
>> > > I have more doubts about the ones in the UK as their web site
>> > > professes
>> > > to have TWO full CCDEs teaching the class, although AFAIK there's
>> > only
>> > > one person who's passed that lives/works in the entirety of Europe,
>> > > though I could be wrong.
>> > >
>> > > I'll side with Brian on this. There's no way, in a week, you'll
>> get
>> > > what you need to pass this exam. But feel free to spend
>> hard-earned
>> > > money on it. Stimulate the economy. It needs it. ;)
>> > >
>> > > My two cents.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
>> > > #4713,
>> > >
>> > > JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
>> > >
>> > > JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
>> > >
>> > > evil_at_ine.com <mailto:evil_at_ine.com>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>> > >
>> > > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com<http://www.internetworkexpert.com/><
>> > http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
>> > >
>> > > Toll Free: 877-224-8987
>> > >
>> > > Outside US: 775-826-4344
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Knowledge is power.
>> > >
>> > > Power corrupts.
>> > >
>> > > Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Brad Ellis wrote:
>> > > > We offer both the written and lab Cisco authorized boot camps.
>> > > >
>> > > > thanks,
>> > > > Brad Ellis
>> > > > CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
>> > > > CCSI# 30482
>> > > > CEO / President
>> > > > CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP)
>> > > > Email: brad_at_ccbootcamp.com <mailto:brad_at_ccbootcamp.com>
>> > > > Toll Free: 877-654-2243
>> > > > International: +1-702-968-5100
>> > > > Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call
>> > > > FAX: +1-702-446-8012
>> > > > YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
>> > > > Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com
>> > > <http://www.ccbootcamp.com/>
>> > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>
>> > > [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com>] On
>> > > Behalf Of
>> > > > Arun Kumar Arumuganainar
>> > > > Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 12:07 AM
>> > > > To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>> > > > Cc: Arun Reliance
>> > > > Subject: CCDE Boot Camp
>> > > >
>> > > > Hi All,
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Is there any body who offers boot camp( Preferably in UK/US ) or
>> > > > training
>> > > > materials for CCDE .
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > I understand CCIE has extensive study materials. But wondering if
>> > we
>> > > > have any
>> > > > for CCDE.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks and Regards
>> > > >
>> > > > Arun
>> > > >
>> > > >
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