Re: Failed Again!!!

They added the OEQ, they did not add any more time to the test and they did
not make the lab easier. Maybe the point structure changed but that's it.
People who pass the lab finish the lab well within 8 hours or 7.5 hours. So
the 1/2 for OEQ should not matter.

On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Zac Webb <zacwebb_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> Does anyone know for sure if there are less questions on the OEQ version of
> the test?
> It looked to me like they just made the questions worth less points. I
> would bet that almost
> the same amount of questions are still on the test.
>
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 9:24 AM, Abraham, Tharak <tharakabraham_at_gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Josh,
> >
> > Most of us would disagree with that !
> >
> > Config part has been shorter by 21 points..true.
> > But does that mean that we need to put only less effort in preparing for
> > that section ? NO !
> > And now even MORE for V4 !
> >
> > Now if you have attended both the previous version and the new version of
> > the lab and you feel that the config section has easier questions
> > comparatively, then i would have to agree with your view and statements.
> >
> > In short, Candidates need to put the same or more effort to learn
> > technologies in depth to pass the configuration section and to top it,
> with
> > extra effort for OEQ's too !
> >
> > Less likely that Cisco would increase the OEQ numbers, and if they
> > do...good
> > for us !
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > Tharak Abraham Luke
> > Sent from Netherlands
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Josh Fleishman <josh.fleishman_at_gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > My statement that the lab is now easier really was intended to convey
> > > that the more difficult and relevant part is now smaller, and therefore
> > > less
> > > of a measure of ones expertise.
> > >
> > > Consder the exam before the OEQs were added consisted of only practical
> > lab
> > > questions, totaling 100 points (+/- a few). Now they total 79 points.
> > How
> > > were the other 21 points freed-up for the OEQs? They could either keep
> > the
> > > same number of questions on the practical exam, and reduce their
> > > relative point values, or reduce the number of questions and keep
> > > the relative point values. Given that the exam time has not increased,
> > > we're left with the latter option. It stands to reason that if the
> > > practical portion of the lab is the real measure of one's expertise, as
> I
> > > believe is commonly agreed to by most members of this forum, and is the
> > > 'difficult" part of the overall exam, then reducing the number of
> > question
> > > on the practical exam would make it less 'difficult' and less of a
> > measure
> > > of one's expertise when compared to the previous version.
> > >
> > > Since the 21 points were moved to the OEQs, and the OEQs
> > > are commonly referred to by proctors (to me personally) and by passing
> > > candidates as 'easy' and 'CCNP level', the overall exam is now less of
> a
> > > measure of ones Cisco expertise than it once was. Don't get me
> > wrong..it's
> > > still a decent measure, just not as decent as it once was.
> > >
> > > Failing the OEQs doesn't mean you're not well prepared. I don't
> believe
> > > CCIE candidates are expected to be able to answer 100% of the OEQs. If
> > > there is a pool of 1000 questions, and the best of us can answer 98% of
> > > them
> > > correctly, there's still a chance that 2 out of the 20 you can't answer
> > > correctly will appear on your exam and you'll fail the OEQ, and don't
> get
> > > your number. Anyone who plays poker knows how it feels to lose on the
> > > river
> > > even if you played the hand by the book. Should the CCIE exam really
> > feel
> > > like a gamble? I don't think so.
> > >
> > > There are lots of proposals out there, but to the best of my knowledge
> > > Cisco
> > > isn't considering them. Personally, I think that if the OEQs are going
> > to
> > > remain on the exam, they should provide 10-12 questions, and the
> > candidate
> > > can choose which 4 or 5 to answer.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 8:53 PM, Tony Varriale <
> > tvarriale_at_flamboyaninc.com
> > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > That's an interesting comment. How many times did you take it and
> > when?
> > > >
> > > > Are you considering the lab is easier based on? Your level? Or the
> > > > content
> > > > is really easier (for example going from complex OSPF situations to 1
> > VL
> > > > LOL)?
> > > >
> > > > tv
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> > Of
> > > > Josh
> > > > Fleishman
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 4:38 PM
> > > > To: Rick Tyrell
> > > > Cc: Alexei Monastyrnyi; Dennis Worth; <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> > > > <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: Failed Again!!!
> > > >
> > > > For what it's worth, I totally agree. Having had a similar
> experience
> > of
> > > > passing the lab but not the OEQs, I'm not inclined to taking it again
> > > until
> > > > the OEQs are gone.
> > > >
> > > > Also, considering that (based on my experience) the lab portion is
> > > actually
> > > > a lot easier now than it was before the OEQs were added, I
> personnally
> > do
> > > > not look at someone with a CCIE in the 24000+ range as having
> > > accomplished
> > > > nearly as much as those with numbers below 24000. 21% of their
> > > > accomplishment is based on them being able to answer 3 out of 4
> 'easy'
> > > > questions. Not exactly a testament to their expertise IMO. Those
> who
> > > pass
> > > > should feel a little cheated too.
> > > >
> > > > -Josh
> > > >
> > > >
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