Re: Failed Again!!!

You are correct, but you know how it is when bunch of people get
together....These things do happen... But take the good with bad.
Sorry if i sounded a bit harsh, i did not mean to be.

On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 5:24 PM, peter ehiwe <ccie.in.nigeria_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> No doubt narbik , groupstudy is the best out there and will continue
> to be , it also helped me immensely for my lab , its just that it
> has been a little of non-technical stuff flying around lately IMHO.
>
> On 9/9/09, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> > You know guys i totally respect whats been said about OEQs, but one thing
> i
> > will NOT agree with is putting down Group Study, I believe its simply the
> > BEST and there is no other forum like it in the world. There are vendors
> > that tried to kill GS just to promote their own business, some even made
> a
> > Class On demand to route students to their forum, and they all failed.
> But
> > the truth of the matter is that it has helped LOTS of VENDORS get their
> > business started and LOTS of vendors to stay in business and LOTS of
> > students get their motivation back and LOTS of people like YOURSELF study
> > and pass their CCIE.
> > Remember and just think about it for a second..........The owner does not
> > make a penny out of this.
> >
> > So let's stop this nonsense about bad mouthing GS. If you think its bad
> > PLEASE show me another forum of the same caliber. You don't know the
> amount
> > of effort that goes behind the scenes to make this thing happen.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 4:22 PM, peter ehiwe
> > <ccie.in.nigeria_at_gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> >> lol , its just that groupstudy feels like facebook this days
> >>
> >> On 9/8/09, Mohamed El Henawy <m.henawy_at_link.net> wrote:
> >> > storm-control open-ended level zero :)...plz
> >> >
> >> > or else
> >> >
> >> > storm-control action shutdown
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "wdf wefwe" <fordownloadsccie_at_gmail.com>
> >> > To: "Josh Fleishman" <josh.fleishman_at_gmail.com>
> >> > Cc: "Rick Tyrell" <rtyrell_at_gmail.com>; "Alexei Monastyrnyi"
> >> > <alexeim73_at_gmail.com>; "Dennis Worth" <dennis.worth_at_gmail.com>;
> >> > <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> >> > Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:01 AM
> >> > Subject: Re: Failed Again!!!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> No offence josh , but i dont think your comments on d credibility of
> >> >> ccie's above 24000 is fair , if the questions are easy then you
> should
> >> >> get them correctly shouldnt you , i guess you should have passed the
> >> >> OEQ.
> >> >>
> >> >> i believe if your understanding of the theory behind the technology
> is
> >> >> core or rock solid then you shouldnt fail the OEQ , trust me i know
> >> >> wat im saying cos ive seen the questions and conquered.
> >> >>
> >> >> "Remember there is nothing as practical as a good theory"
> >> >>
> >> >> To those that feel they need to study a bank of questions to pass the
> >> >> OEQ , i think you might be disappointed IMHO , all you need is to
> >> >> devour the books and study a lot of documentation and practise a lot
> >> >> on the racks to get a very deep understanding of the technology.
> >> >>
> >> >> Regards ,
> >> >>
> >> >> CCNAx3(Security , Voice , Wireless)
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On 9/8/09, Josh Fleishman <josh.fleishman_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>> For what it's worth, I totally agree. Having had a similar
> >> >>> experience
> >> of
> >> >>> passing the lab but not the OEQs, I'm not inclined to taking it
> again
> >> >>> until
> >> >>> the OEQs are gone.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Also, considering that (based on my experience) the lab portion is
> >> >>> actually
> >> >>> a lot easier now than it was before the OEQs were added, I
> >> >>> personnally
> >> do
> >> >>> not look at someone with a CCIE in the 24000+ range as having
> >> >>> accomplished
> >> >>> nearly as much as those with numbers below 24000. 21% of their
> >> >>> accomplishment is based on them being able to answer 3 out of 4
> >> >>> 'easy'
> >> >>> questions. Not exactly a testament to their expertise IMO. Those
> >> >>> who
> >> >>> pass
> >> >>> should feel a little cheated too.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> -Josh
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Rick Tyrell <rtyrell_at_gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> I failed for the 3rd time on August 17th. I haven't felt like
> >> >>>> writing
> >> >>>> anything until I read this post. I failed the OEQ section, even
> >> though
> >> >>>> I
> >> >>>> had passed it the last time. So I guess I went from being 100% on
> >> Core
> >> >>>> Knowledge to 0% even though I sat another bootcamp and was able to
> >> >>>> dedicate
> >> >>>> the final 6 weeks of preparation without having to be at work. I
> >> >>>> covered
> >> >>>> my
> >> >>>> weak areas. But I can not memorize every Cisco Press book verbatim
> >> >>>> which
> >> >>>> is
> >> >>>> what the OEQ seems to have become.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Now I understand that Cisco is trying to weed out people who cheat.
> >> But
> >> >>>> they are doing it the wrong way. Don't waste someones money and
> >> >>>> time
> >> >>>> having
> >> >>>> them fly out to a CCIE Lab locations and fail them on the OEQ
> >> >>>> section.
> >> >>>> Make
> >> >>>> it a separate exam that can be taken remotely or at a local Cisco
> >> >>>> office. Once they can pass the OEQ then they can be allowed to
> take
> >> the
> >> >>>> Lab
> >> >>>> exam. Interview me in person at a Cisco office and see if I am a
> >> >>>> cheater
> >> >>>> or
> >> >>>> not. It doesn't take long to find out if someone really knows
> their
> >> >>>> stuff,
> >> >>>> just talk to them face to face for a few minutes. I have worked
> >> closely
> >> >>>> with Cisco SEs and spent many hours on the phone with TAC
> >> >>>> troubleshooting
> >> >>>> problems they have never seen. Even teaching them a few things in
> >> >>>> coming
> >> >>>> up
> >> >>>> with solutions!
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I also went throughout the CCNA, CCNP, and CCSP. I remember
> failing
> >> the
> >> >>>> Troubleshooting and Support exam for the CCNP twice before finally
> >> >>>> passing
> >> >>>> it, almost giving up. I also have over 10 years of building and
> >> >>>> troubleshooting complex networks. If Cisco is really considering
> >> >>>> the
> >> >>>> "Cisco
> >> >>>> Certified Architect" methodology maybe they should look at what a
> >> >>>> candidate
> >> >>>> has gone through before taking the CCIE exam. If I was cheating do
> >> you
> >> >>>> think I would have gone through the time and money it took going
> >> through
> >> >>>> the
> >> >>>> foundational certifications and spending countless hours in
> >> >>>> training?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Maybe instead of an OEQ section we could write and essay about how
> >> >>>> we
> >> >>>> love
> >> >>>> Cisco and will never user another companies products...LOL. I
> >> >>>> could
> >> >>>> write
> >> >>>> in there how I convinced my company to switch from 3COM to Cisco
> and
> >> >>>> have
> >> >>>> blanketed our entire Campus with their equipment and Smartnet
> >> contracts.
> >> >>>> This was all done by me, not a CCIE or "Cisco Certified Architect"
> >> >>>> or
> >> >>>> Cisco
> >> >>>> SE. I mean that is what they are trying to produce right? Someone
> >> who
> >> >>>> knows the technology, can sell the technology to the CIO, configure
> >> and
> >> >>>> troubleshoot it, draw up some pretty Visio diagrams, and upgrade to
> >> the
> >> >>>> newest model every few years. I have been doing all this for the
> >> >>>> last
> >> >>>> 10
> >> >>>> years :)
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I will learn the 4.0 material because it is relevant to current
> >> industry
> >> >>>> standards We are getting ready to implement MPLS VPNs where I
> work.
> >> >>>> But
> >> >>>> I
> >> >>>> will not be taking the CCIE 4.0 R&S Lab unless Cisco removes the
> OEQ
> >> >>>> section, if I decide to take it at all. I do feel the
> >> >>>> troubleshooting
> >> >>>> section is a step in the right direction. This exam should
> >> >>>> be testing candidates on real world topologies and situations. I
> >> >>>> have
> >> >>>> always had respect for Cisco and their certification program. But
> >> >>>> I'm
> >> >>>> done
> >> >>>> with pissing my money and time down the toilet.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> -Rick
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 3:51 AM, Alexei Monastyrnyi <
> >> alexeim73_at_gmail.com
> >> >>>> >wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> > Sorry to hear that, mate. 5th try was my lucky one, so you might
> >> pass
> >> >>>> > on
> >> >>>> > that one as well. Just keep up high spirits.
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> > A. #17234 (RS)
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> > Dennis Worth wrote:
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> >> FYI Group
> >> >>>> >> Failed CCIE R&S for the 4th time, and this time it was because
> of
> >> the
> >> >>>> >> OEQ's.
> >> >>>> >> I am so glad Cisco wants to stop the cheaters out there, but
> >> >>>> >> after
> >> 5
> >> >>>> years
> >> >>>> >> on and off of going through this stuff to pass this lab, failing
> >> >>>> >> on
> >> 1
> >> >>>> >> simple
> >> >>>> >> question that is not EXACTLY what they are asking for is
> >> >>>> >> absolutely
> >> >>>> >> out
> >> >>>> of
> >> >>>> >> control.
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >> I will be back, but to all who take this lab exam, you might as
> >> well
> >> >>>> chalk
> >> >>>> >> it up to LUCK more than skill or knowledge. I hate what this
> exam
> >> has
> >> >>>> come
> >> >>>> >> to. It really has no relevance to anything with those questions.
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >> Best of LUCK to anyone who takes the lab, because you will need
> >> >>>> >> it!
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> >
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