Re: Failed Again!!!

You know guys i totally respect whats been said about OEQs, but one thing i
will NOT agree with is putting down Group Study, I believe its simply the
BEST and there is no other forum like it in the world. There are vendors
that tried to kill GS just to promote their own business, some even made a
Class On demand to route students to their forum, and they all failed. But
the truth of the matter is that it has helped LOTS of VENDORS get their
business started and LOTS of vendors to stay in business and LOTS of
students get their motivation back and LOTS of people like YOURSELF study
and pass their CCIE.
Remember and just think about it for a second..........The owner does not
make a penny out of this.

So let's stop this nonsense about bad mouthing GS. If you think its bad
PLEASE show me another forum of the same caliber. You don't know the amount
of effort that goes behind the scenes to make this thing happen.

Thanks

On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 4:22 PM, peter ehiwe <ccie.in.nigeria_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> lol , its just that groupstudy feels like facebook this days
>
> On 9/8/09, Mohamed El Henawy <m.henawy_at_link.net> wrote:
> > storm-control open-ended level zero :)...plz
> >
> > or else
> >
> > storm-control action shutdown
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "wdf wefwe" <fordownloadsccie_at_gmail.com>
> > To: "Josh Fleishman" <josh.fleishman_at_gmail.com>
> > Cc: "Rick Tyrell" <rtyrell_at_gmail.com>; "Alexei Monastyrnyi"
> > <alexeim73_at_gmail.com>; "Dennis Worth" <dennis.worth_at_gmail.com>;
> > <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:01 AM
> > Subject: Re: Failed Again!!!
> >
> >
> >> No offence josh , but i dont think your comments on d credibility of
> >> ccie's above 24000 is fair , if the questions are easy then you should
> >> get them correctly shouldnt you , i guess you should have passed the
> >> OEQ.
> >>
> >> i believe if your understanding of the theory behind the technology is
> >> core or rock solid then you shouldnt fail the OEQ , trust me i know
> >> wat im saying cos ive seen the questions and conquered.
> >>
> >> "Remember there is nothing as practical as a good theory"
> >>
> >> To those that feel they need to study a bank of questions to pass the
> >> OEQ , i think you might be disappointed IMHO , all you need is to
> >> devour the books and study a lot of documentation and practise a lot
> >> on the racks to get a very deep understanding of the technology.
> >>
> >> Regards ,
> >>
> >> CCNAx3(Security , Voice , Wireless)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 9/8/09, Josh Fleishman <josh.fleishman_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> For what it's worth, I totally agree. Having had a similar experience
> of
> >>> passing the lab but not the OEQs, I'm not inclined to taking it again
> >>> until
> >>> the OEQs are gone.
> >>>
> >>> Also, considering that (based on my experience) the lab portion is
> >>> actually
> >>> a lot easier now than it was before the OEQs were added, I personnally
> do
> >>> not look at someone with a CCIE in the 24000+ range as having
> >>> accomplished
> >>> nearly as much as those with numbers below 24000. 21% of their
> >>> accomplishment is based on them being able to answer 3 out of 4 'easy'
> >>> questions. Not exactly a testament to their expertise IMO. Those who
> >>> pass
> >>> should feel a little cheated too.
> >>>
> >>> -Josh
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Rick Tyrell <rtyrell_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I failed for the 3rd time on August 17th. I haven't felt like writing
> >>>> anything until I read this post. I failed the OEQ section, even
> though
> >>>> I
> >>>> had passed it the last time. So I guess I went from being 100% on
> Core
> >>>> Knowledge to 0% even though I sat another bootcamp and was able to
> >>>> dedicate
> >>>> the final 6 weeks of preparation without having to be at work. I
> >>>> covered
> >>>> my
> >>>> weak areas. But I can not memorize every Cisco Press book verbatim
> >>>> which
> >>>> is
> >>>> what the OEQ seems to have become.
> >>>>
> >>>> Now I understand that Cisco is trying to weed out people who cheat.
> But
> >>>> they are doing it the wrong way. Don't waste someones money and time
> >>>> having
> >>>> them fly out to a CCIE Lab locations and fail them on the OEQ section.
> >>>> Make
> >>>> it a separate exam that can be taken remotely or at a local Cisco
> >>>> office. Once they can pass the OEQ then they can be allowed to take
> the
> >>>> Lab
> >>>> exam. Interview me in person at a Cisco office and see if I am a
> >>>> cheater
> >>>> or
> >>>> not. It doesn't take long to find out if someone really knows their
> >>>> stuff,
> >>>> just talk to them face to face for a few minutes. I have worked
> closely
> >>>> with Cisco SEs and spent many hours on the phone with TAC
> >>>> troubleshooting
> >>>> problems they have never seen. Even teaching them a few things in
> >>>> coming
> >>>> up
> >>>> with solutions!
> >>>>
> >>>> I also went throughout the CCNA, CCNP, and CCSP. I remember failing
> the
> >>>> Troubleshooting and Support exam for the CCNP twice before finally
> >>>> passing
> >>>> it, almost giving up. I also have over 10 years of building and
> >>>> troubleshooting complex networks. If Cisco is really considering the
> >>>> "Cisco
> >>>> Certified Architect" methodology maybe they should look at what a
> >>>> candidate
> >>>> has gone through before taking the CCIE exam. If I was cheating do
> you
> >>>> think I would have gone through the time and money it took going
> through
> >>>> the
> >>>> foundational certifications and spending countless hours in training?
> >>>>
> >>>> Maybe instead of an OEQ section we could write and essay about how we
> >>>> love
> >>>> Cisco and will never user another companies products...LOL. I could
> >>>> write
> >>>> in there how I convinced my company to switch from 3COM to Cisco and
> >>>> have
> >>>> blanketed our entire Campus with their equipment and Smartnet
> contracts.
> >>>> This was all done by me, not a CCIE or "Cisco Certified Architect" or
> >>>> Cisco
> >>>> SE. I mean that is what they are trying to produce right? Someone
> who
> >>>> knows the technology, can sell the technology to the CIO, configure
> and
> >>>> troubleshoot it, draw up some pretty Visio diagrams, and upgrade to
> the
> >>>> newest model every few years. I have been doing all this for the last
> >>>> 10
> >>>> years :)
> >>>>
> >>>> I will learn the 4.0 material because it is relevant to current
> industry
> >>>> standards We are getting ready to implement MPLS VPNs where I work.
> >>>> But
> >>>> I
> >>>> will not be taking the CCIE 4.0 R&S Lab unless Cisco removes the OEQ
> >>>> section, if I decide to take it at all. I do feel the troubleshooting
> >>>> section is a step in the right direction. This exam should
> >>>> be testing candidates on real world topologies and situations. I have
> >>>> always had respect for Cisco and their certification program. But I'm
> >>>> done
> >>>> with pissing my money and time down the toilet.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -Rick
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 3:51 AM, Alexei Monastyrnyi <
> alexeim73_at_gmail.com
> >>>> >wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> > Sorry to hear that, mate. 5th try was my lucky one, so you might
> pass
> >>>> > on
> >>>> > that one as well. Just keep up high spirits.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > A. #17234 (RS)
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Dennis Worth wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> >> FYI Group
> >>>> >> Failed CCIE R&S for the 4th time, and this time it was because of
> the
> >>>> >> OEQ's.
> >>>> >> I am so glad Cisco wants to stop the cheaters out there, but after
> 5
> >>>> years
> >>>> >> on and off of going through this stuff to pass this lab, failing on
> 1
> >>>> >> simple
> >>>> >> question that is not EXACTLY what they are asking for is absolutely
> >>>> >> out
> >>>> of
> >>>> >> control.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> I will be back, but to all who take this lab exam, you might as
> well
> >>>> chalk
> >>>> >> it up to LUCK more than skill or knowledge. I hate what this exam
> has
> >>>> come
> >>>> >> to. It really has no relevance to anything with those questions.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Best of LUCK to anyone who takes the lab, because you will need it!
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >
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