Re: Failed Again!!!

lol , its just that groupstudy feels like facebook this days

On 9/8/09, Mohamed El Henawy <m.henawy_at_link.net> wrote:
> storm-control open-ended level zero :)...plz
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> From: "wdf wefwe" <fordownloadsccie_at_gmail.com>
> To: "Josh Fleishman" <josh.fleishman_at_gmail.com>
> Cc: "Rick Tyrell" <rtyrell_at_gmail.com>; "Alexei Monastyrnyi"
> <alexeim73_at_gmail.com>; "Dennis Worth" <dennis.worth_at_gmail.com>;
> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:01 AM
> Subject: Re: Failed Again!!!
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>> No offence josh , but i dont think your comments on d credibility of
>> ccie's above 24000 is fair , if the questions are easy then you should
>> get them correctly shouldnt you , i guess you should have passed the
>> OEQ.
>>
>> i believe if your understanding of the theory behind the technology is
>> core or rock solid then you shouldnt fail the OEQ , trust me i know
>> wat im saying cos ive seen the questions and conquered.
>>
>> "Remember there is nothing as practical as a good theory"
>>
>> To those that feel they need to study a bank of questions to pass the
>> OEQ , i think you might be disappointed IMHO , all you need is to
>> devour the books and study a lot of documentation and practise a lot
>> on the racks to get a very deep understanding of the technology.
>>
>> Regards ,
>>
>> CCNAx3(Security , Voice , Wireless)
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>>
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>>
>> On 9/8/09, Josh Fleishman <josh.fleishman_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>> For what it's worth, I totally agree. Having had a similar experience of
>>> passing the lab but not the OEQs, I'm not inclined to taking it again
>>> until
>>> the OEQs are gone.
>>>
>>> Also, considering that (based on my experience) the lab portion is
>>> actually
>>> a lot easier now than it was before the OEQs were added, I personnally do
>>> not look at someone with a CCIE in the 24000+ range as having
>>> accomplished
>>> nearly as much as those with numbers below 24000. 21% of their
>>> accomplishment is based on them being able to answer 3 out of 4 'easy'
>>> questions. Not exactly a testament to their expertise IMO. Those who
>>> pass
>>> should feel a little cheated too.
>>>
>>> -Josh
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Rick Tyrell <rtyrell_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I failed for the 3rd time on August 17th. I haven't felt like writing
>>>> anything until I read this post. I failed the OEQ section, even though
>>>> I
>>>> had passed it the last time. So I guess I went from being 100% on Core
>>>> Knowledge to 0% even though I sat another bootcamp and was able to
>>>> dedicate
>>>> the final 6 weeks of preparation without having to be at work. I
>>>> covered
>>>> my
>>>> weak areas. But I can not memorize every Cisco Press book verbatim
>>>> which
>>>> is
>>>> what the OEQ seems to have become.
>>>>
>>>> Now I understand that Cisco is trying to weed out people who cheat. But
>>>> they are doing it the wrong way. Don't waste someones money and time
>>>> having
>>>> them fly out to a CCIE Lab locations and fail them on the OEQ section.
>>>> Make
>>>> it a separate exam that can be taken remotely or at a local Cisco
>>>> office. Once they can pass the OEQ then they can be allowed to take the
>>>> Lab
>>>> exam. Interview me in person at a Cisco office and see if I am a
>>>> cheater
>>>> or
>>>> not. It doesn't take long to find out if someone really knows their
>>>> stuff,
>>>> just talk to them face to face for a few minutes. I have worked closely
>>>> with Cisco SEs and spent many hours on the phone with TAC
>>>> troubleshooting
>>>> problems they have never seen. Even teaching them a few things in
>>>> coming
>>>> up
>>>> with solutions!
>>>>
>>>> I also went throughout the CCNA, CCNP, and CCSP. I remember failing the
>>>> Troubleshooting and Support exam for the CCNP twice before finally
>>>> passing
>>>> it, almost giving up. I also have over 10 years of building and
>>>> troubleshooting complex networks. If Cisco is really considering the
>>>> "Cisco
>>>> Certified Architect" methodology maybe they should look at what a
>>>> candidate
>>>> has gone through before taking the CCIE exam. If I was cheating do you
>>>> think I would have gone through the time and money it took going through
>>>> the
>>>> foundational certifications and spending countless hours in training?
>>>>
>>>> Maybe instead of an OEQ section we could write and essay about how we
>>>> love
>>>> Cisco and will never user another companies products...LOL. I could
>>>> write
>>>> in there how I convinced my company to switch from 3COM to Cisco and
>>>> have
>>>> blanketed our entire Campus with their equipment and Smartnet contracts.
>>>> This was all done by me, not a CCIE or "Cisco Certified Architect" or
>>>> Cisco
>>>> SE. I mean that is what they are trying to produce right? Someone who
>>>> knows the technology, can sell the technology to the CIO, configure and
>>>> troubleshoot it, draw up some pretty Visio diagrams, and upgrade to the
>>>> newest model every few years. I have been doing all this for the last
>>>> 10
>>>> years :)
>>>>
>>>> I will learn the 4.0 material because it is relevant to current industry
>>>> standards We are getting ready to implement MPLS VPNs where I work.
>>>> But
>>>> I
>>>> will not be taking the CCIE 4.0 R&S Lab unless Cisco removes the OEQ
>>>> section, if I decide to take it at all. I do feel the troubleshooting
>>>> section is a step in the right direction. This exam should
>>>> be testing candidates on real world topologies and situations. I have
>>>> always had respect for Cisco and their certification program. But I'm
>>>> done
>>>> with pissing my money and time down the toilet.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Rick
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 3:51 AM, Alexei Monastyrnyi <alexeim73_at_gmail.com
>>>> >wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Sorry to hear that, mate. 5th try was my lucky one, so you might pass
>>>> > on
>>>> > that one as well. Just keep up high spirits.
>>>> >
>>>> > A. #17234 (RS)
>>>> >
>>>> > Dennis Worth wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> FYI Group
>>>> >> Failed CCIE R&S for the 4th time, and this time it was because of the
>>>> >> OEQ's.
>>>> >> I am so glad Cisco wants to stop the cheaters out there, but after 5
>>>> years
>>>> >> on and off of going through this stuff to pass this lab, failing on 1
>>>> >> simple
>>>> >> question that is not EXACTLY what they are asking for is absolutely
>>>> >> out
>>>> of
>>>> >> control.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I will be back, but to all who take this lab exam, you might as well
>>>> chalk
>>>> >> it up to LUCK more than skill or knowledge. I hate what this exam has
>>>> come
>>>> >> to. It really has no relevance to anything with those questions.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Best of LUCK to anyone who takes the lab, because you will need it!
>>>> >>
>>>> >
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