Re: OT: Why do about 4000+ CCIEs of 25,000 CCIE's...

Every two years to keep it completely current. In the third year you
go into "suspended" status if you don't sit and pass the written of
any of the active tracks. After that you start looking for a lab date
or you reconcile yourself to "formerly certified" status...

On Sep 6, 2009, at 5:19 , Ronald Johns wrote:

> Is it every other year? I thought it was once every 3 years...
> Bummer... I've passed the written like 3 times over this past
> decade anyway so I certainly plan on keeping mine current if I ever
> get it! ;-)
>
> - Ron
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of Rick Mur
> Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 5:25 PM
> To: john matijevic
> Cc: Wayne Lawson; <Keegan.Holley_at_sungard.com>; Anthony Sequeira;
> ccie forum; Darby Weaver; nobody_at_groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: OT: Why do about 4000+ CCIEs of 25,000 CCIE's...
>
> I think with the salaries that are paid to CCIE's they can afford
> doing an exam that costs like $300 every other year :-)
> The only thing is that you have to make a little time studying for the
> written, but if you still work in the business even in a design role
> you won't have much trouble with it.
>
> Just my 2ct
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Rick Mur
> CCIE2 #21946 (R&S / Service Provider)
> Sr. Support Engineer  IPexpert, Inc.
> URL: http://www.IPexpert.com
>
> On 5 sep 2009, at 20:18, john matijevic wrote:
>
>> Hello Team,
>> I had my cert, and then it expired, I was really busy working on high
>> level projects that required much of my time. The reason my expired,
>> is the fact that I had neither the time nor the expense. Unless you
>> work for a Cisco partner that pays for your training, and they have a
>> discount for the cisco product with your ccie number. Again its an
>> expensive certification where the costs keep rising each year, unless
>> your employer pays for it, really no reason to recertify on your own
>> expense. my two cents.
>> Sincerely,
>> John
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Wayne
>> Lawson<groupstudy_at_ipexpert.com> wrote:
>>> No - He started his own company, "Jeff Doyle and Associates" -
>>> Google it.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Wayne A. Lawson II - CCIE #5244
>>> Founder & President - IPexpert, Inc.
>>> Mailto: wlawson_at_ipexpert.com
>>> Mobile: +1.810.334.1564
>>>
>>> :: Message sent from iPhone.
>>>
>>> On Sep 4, 2009, at 4:53 PM, <Keegan.Holley_at_sungard.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Doesn't Doyle work at Juniper now?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From:
>>>> Anthony Sequeira <asequeira_at_ine.com>
>>>> To:
>>>> Darby Weaver <darby.weaver_at_gmail.com>
>>>> Cc:
>>>> ccie forum <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>>>> Date:
>>>> 09/04/2009 10:05 AM
>>>> Subject:
>>>> Re: OT: Why do about 4000+ CCIEs of 25,000 CCIE's...
>>>> Sent by:
>>>> nobody_at_groupstudy.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think it would be fairly interesting to hear from former CCIEs
>>>> that
>>>> let their cert expire. I heard that Jeff Doyle did (Cisco Press).
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately, I think we have about a 0% chance of finding them
>>>> reading this post on GS.
>>>>
>>>> :-)
>>>>
>>>> Warmest Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626
>>>> http://www.INE.com
>>>>
>>>> Test your Core Knowledge today!
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 4, 2009, at 8:11 AM, Darby Weaver wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Anyone care to speculate why 4000+ CCIE's don't think simply
>>>>> taking
>>>>> the CCIE
>>>>> Written again is worth all the effort they spent to get the CCIE
>>>>> in
>>>>> the
>>>>> first place and maintain it?
>>>>>
>>>>> I have to ask the question?
>>>>>
>>>>> A few CCIE's are asking me now and and a lot of CCIE's have asked
>>>>> me
>>>>> overall
>>>>> over the last few years - "How to get employed after attaining the
>>>>> CCIE?"
>>>>>
>>>>> Others seem to have an issue getting that raise or advancement.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is the ROI not there for about 1 in 6 CCIE's?
>>>>>
>>>>> Now while most of us say we seek the cert for personal reasons....
>>>>> and this
>>>>> may be true since 5 in 6 are staying certified...
>>>>>
>>>>> But consider this:
>>>>>
>>>>> About 6,000 CCIE's and maybe even 9,000 or so are newly
>>>>> certified -
>>>>> meaning
>>>>> thay have yet to have to recertify or may be in Suspended Mode
>>>>> for not
>>>>> certifying in time and have a year to catch up...
>>>>>
>>>>> so...
>>>>>
>>>>> Now we have about 4000 or 16000 CCIE's who choose to let their
>>>>> CCIE
>>>>> wither
>>>>> an die....
>>>>>
>>>>> I have to ask why those 25% think the CCIE not worth the effort of
>>>>> maintaining after such an effort?
>>>>>
>>>>> Now before we start... I guess a lot of people will chime in
>>>>> anonymously...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That's great we are on the Internet.
>>>>>
>>>>> But if a fomer CCIE (verifiable) were to chime in on why he/she
>>>>> did
>>>>> not
>>>>> think the cert worth maintaining... that would be interesting.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Can it be that many are just not finding jobs with the CCIE or
>>>>> just
>>>>> plainly
>>>>> have not seen the value...
>>>>>
>>>>> It costs most people at least $10-30k to achieve and 1-3+ years to
>>>>> attain...
>>>>>
>>>>> Not worth spending 3-6 months to prep for the CCIE Written and
>>>>> pay the
>>>>> $3xx.00 to maintain the certification?
>>>>>
>>>>> Why not?
>>>>>
>>>>> Did all of them just burnout, retire, or just die?
>>>>>
>>>>> Seems like a high number for all three of those reasons combined.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course everyone has their own reasons....
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Just curious...
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Darby Weaver
>>>>> Network Engineer
>>>>>
>>>>> 407-802-7394
>>>>> darbyweaver_at_yahoo.com
>>>>>
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