Re: OT: Why do about 4000+ CCIEs of 25,000 CCIE's...

Sorry, misunderstanding, it's 300 here in Europe :-)

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Regards,
Rick Mur
CCIE2 #21946 (R&S / Service Provider)
Sr. Support Engineer  IPexpert, Inc.
URL: http://www.IPexpert.com
On 6 sep 2009, at 16:02, Darby Weaver wrote:
> Last test I took for the CCIE Writen cost me $315.00.
>
> I think it is $350.00 US Dollars right now.
>
> On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Robert Hosford <rhosford_at_certifiednets.com
> > wrote:
> All,
>
> Is that $300 price just for the U.S.? Is the price for the CCIE
> written exam about Rs14628.21?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of Rick Mur
> Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 6:25 PM
> To: john matijevic
> Cc: Wayne Lawson; <Keegan.Holley_at_sungard.com>; Anthony Sequeira;
> ccie forum; Darby Weaver; nobody_at_groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: OT: Why do about 4000+ CCIEs of 25,000 CCIE's...
>
> I think with the salaries that are paid to CCIE's they can afford
> doing an exam that costs like $300 every other year :-)
> The only thing is that you have to make a little time studying for the
> written, but if you still work in the business even in a design role
> you won't have much trouble with it.
>
> Just my 2ct
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Rick Mur
> CCIE2 #21946 (R&S / Service Provider)
> Sr. Support Engineer   IPexpert, Inc.
> URL: http://www.IPexpert.com
>
> On 5 sep 2009, at 20:18, john matijevic wrote:
>
> > Hello Team,
> > I had my cert, and then it expired, I was really busy working on
> high
> > level projects that required much of my time. The reason my expired,
> > is the fact that I had neither the time nor the expense. Unless you
> > work for a Cisco partner that pays for your training, and they
> have a
> > discount for the cisco product with your ccie number. Again its an
> > expensive certification where the costs keep rising each year,
> unless
> > your employer pays for it, really no reason to recertify on your own
> > expense. my two cents.
> > Sincerely,
> > John
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Wayne
> > Lawson<groupstudy_at_ipexpert.com> wrote:
> >> No - He started his own company, "Jeff Doyle and Associates" -
> >> Google it.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Wayne A. Lawson II - CCIE #5244
> >> Founder & President - IPexpert, Inc.
> >> Mailto: wlawson_at_ipexpert.com
> >> Mobile: +1.810.334.1564
> >>
> >> :: Message sent from iPhone.
> >>
> >> On Sep 4, 2009, at 4:53 PM, <Keegan.Holley_at_sungard.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Doesn't Doyle work at Juniper now?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From:
> >>> Anthony Sequeira <asequeira_at_ine.com>
> >>> To:
> >>> Darby Weaver <darby.weaver_at_gmail.com>
> >>> Cc:
> >>> ccie forum <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> >>> Date:
> >>> 09/04/2009 10:05 AM
> >>> Subject:
> >>> Re: OT: Why do about 4000+ CCIEs of 25,000 CCIE's...
> >>> Sent by:
> >>> nobody_at_groupstudy.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I think it would be fairly interesting to hear from former CCIEs
> >>> that
> >>> let their cert expire. I heard that Jeff Doyle did (Cisco Press).
> >>>
> >>> Unfortunately, I think we have about a 0% chance of finding them
> >>> reading this post on GS.
> >>>
> >>> :-)
> >>>
> >>> Warmest Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626
> >>> http://www.INE.com
> >>>
> >>> Test your Core Knowledge today!
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> >>>
> >>> On Sep 4, 2009, at 8:11 AM, Darby Weaver wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Anyone care to speculate why 4000+ CCIE's don't think simply
> taking
> >>>> the CCIE
> >>>> Written again is worth all the effort they spent to get the
> CCIE in
> >>>> the
> >>>> first place and maintain it?
> >>>>
> >>>> I have to ask the question?
> >>>>
> >>>> A few CCIE's are asking me now and and a lot of CCIE's have asked
> >>>> me
> >>>> overall
> >>>> over the last few years - "How to get employed after attaining
> the
> >>>> CCIE?"
> >>>>
> >>>> Others seem to have an issue getting that raise or advancement.
> >>>>
> >>>> Is the ROI not there for about 1 in 6 CCIE's?
> >>>>
> >>>> Now while most of us say we seek the cert for personal
> reasons....
> >>>> and this
> >>>> may be true since 5 in 6 are staying certified...
> >>>>
> >>>> But consider this:
> >>>>
> >>>> About 6,000 CCIE's and maybe even 9,000 or so are newly
> certified -
> >>>> meaning
> >>>> thay have yet to have to recertify or may be in Suspended Mode
> >>>> for not
> >>>> certifying in time and have a year to catch up...
> >>>>
> >>>> so...
> >>>>
> >>>> Now we have about 4000 or 16000 CCIE's who choose to let their
> CCIE
> >>>> wither
> >>>> an die....
> >>>>
> >>>> I have to ask why those 25% think the CCIE not worth the effort
> of
> >>>> maintaining after such an effort?
> >>>>
> >>>> Now before we start...  I guess a lot of people will chime in
> >>>> anonymously...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> That's great we are on the Internet.
> >>>>
> >>>> But if a fomer CCIE (verifiable) were to chime in on why he/she
> did
> >>>> not
> >>>> think the cert worth maintaining...  that would be interesting.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Can it be that many are just not finding jobs with the CCIE or
> just
> >>>> plainly
> >>>> have not seen the value...
> >>>>
> >>>> It costs most people at least $10-30k to achieve and 1-3+ years
> to
> >>>> attain...
> >>>>
> >>>> Not worth spending 3-6 months to prep for the CCIE Written and
> >>>> pay the
> >>>> $3xx.00 to maintain the certification?
> >>>>
> >>>> Why not?
> >>>>
> >>>> Did all of them just burnout, retire, or just die?
> >>>>
> >>>> Seems like a high number for all three of those reasons combined.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Of course everyone has their own reasons....
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Just curious...
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Darby Weaver
> >>>> Network Engineer
> >>>>
> >>>> 407-802-7394
> >>>> darbyweaver_at_yahoo.com
> >>>>
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