Re: Petition: Revamp or Replace OEQ

Fine. Work with me and we'll make CCIE Trivial Pursuit. Lets make a real
solution instead of just complaining.

Do what it takes. I ran into a question TWICE that had a weird explanation
for my core knowledge. I googled and googled and couldn't find it. Then, I
just sat back and thought about it. The answer was simple.

Play the game. I want to see experts succeed at CCIE. If you know your crap,
I am *personally* willing to help.

On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Darby Weaver <darby.weaver_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> Good one.
>
> To bad the vendors I asked can't anwer the OEQ I sent them correctly yet.
>
> I've seen some OEQ that were ridiculously easy and I guess it is the luck
> of the draw.
>
> However, there are some that google can't find and some not found easily.
>
> Hey wait... I did find one in a Cisco Press Book published back in like
> 2002...
>
> Simple enough issue if you'd seen it or been presented with it I
> suppose...
>
> We need a boxed game called:
>
> CCIE Trivial Pursuit.
>
> Some of these questions are simply not being covered by the references
> you'd expect.
>
> I am going to verify this one with the Cisco Press Book that is latest on
> the subject to be 100% for sure. Let's say it interests me.
>
> I fugure instructors who teach the stuff ought to have a fair grasp of
> things and whether or not they can deduce a solution in under 30 minutes -
> correctly?
>
> Maybe that's the intent?
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 1:05 PM, William McCall <william.mccall_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Call the waaaaaambulance.
>>
>> I passed it with the core knowledge section. Many others have too. If you
>> didn't pass because of the core knowledge section, Cisco intended for you to
>> not pass.
>>
>> Play the game or get left out. Petitioning Cisco to dumb down the exam to
>> make people happy isn't going to work. I think the next thing they should do
>> is include the requirement of knowing full PDU structures.
>>
>> For people who failed solely because of core knowledge, I'm sorry. Pick
>> yourselves back up and start again. Moaning and groaning about it just makes
>> you look whiny to people who had to do it. Failure is one of the things that
>> you must learn to accept in life, even if it is at $1400 plus travel and
>> lodging a pop. Just because you paid for the opportunity doesn't mean you
>> earned the cert.
>>
>> An example, when I was going for my CCNP, I failed the ISCW 3 times before
>> I finally passed. On the 4th one, I thought, "I should probably just give up
>> on this and go get my CCIE written," but instead, I went back and took it
>> and finally passed it.
>>
>> If you have some concrete examples (no NDA breaking, please!) of questions
>> that cannot be solved, I will be more than happy to find the answers for
>> you. I will take a maximum of 10 good questions.
>>
>> Ladies and Gents, Cisco does not really want you to fail, but they DO want
>> to have prestige in the CCIE program.
>>
>> --WM
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Darby Weaver <darby.weaver_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Seems like we need a petition to make the point clear.
>>>
>>> Now if some of you guys don't think that some of the OEQ's are fair... I
>>> have to ask the question is repeating "Hearsay" even close the breaking
>>> the
>>> NDA?
>>>
>>> Because if I were to show you some questions that I've run across you
>>> might now find them so easy and if the instructors themselves can't find
>>> reasonable answers... in a reasonable time-frame... (Ummm.... Candidates
>>> only get 30 minutes for 4 of these puppies and no use of Google.com btw).
>>>
>>> I've got to ask you? Who are we trying to get to pass the CCIE Lab?
>>>
>>> Disclaimer: See the first batch of OEQ. Straight forward mostly.
>>>
>>> If your questions start asking "Why"...
>>>
>>> You might as well just hand in your lab guide and catch your plane and go
>>> home... Unless you know you nailed them and did not second guess
>>> yourself.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Darby Weaver
>>> Network Engineer
>>>
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>>> darbyweaver_at_yahoo.com
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>
>
>
> --
> Darby Weaver
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>
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>

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