Re: Petition: Revamp or Replace OEQ

On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Rick Tyrell <rtyrell_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> This is not moaning and groaning, this is about keeping the CCIE program
> what it is supposed to be. "Certifies the skills required of expert-level
> network engineers to plan, operate and troubleshoot complex, converged
> network infrastructure".
>

Define expert. Those obscure questions have come up before in interviews.
I've used them on occasion when I get some weird problem. But then again, I
work doing pre-deployment functional testing on code. Some of my defects are
very obscure problems that would be missed by the average person but would
be catastrophic if introduced into the network I support.

> Not about obscure OEQ that are not relevant in the real world. Cisco needs
> to drop the OEQ. You are one of the lucky ones, be grateful that you
> passed. Unless you plan on taking the R&S again then don't worry about what
> people are "whining" about.
>

They're adding this to all tracks. I am taking my service provider soon
enough, but I will probably have to do core knowledge for it by the time I
am ready. I failed core knowledge the first time on R&S. Didn't complain,
didn't do anything but study even harder.

> I have been personally responsible for shoveling millions of dollars
> Cisco's way. I don't even need the CCIE. But I do believe it should be a
> fair exam. I never had the experience of the two day exam, but would rather
> use that method than the current one.
>

That's great. Doesn't mean you deserve a CCIE.

> I will not waste my time again and neither should anyone else on the
> current format. Cisco is a big boy and can admit when they are wrong and
> make changes accordingly. Does John Chambers read groupstudy? John where
> are you :)
>
>
>

Fair enough. Then don't! In the meantime, people who want the cert, play the
game. Me personally, I am concerned with people who are down for the game.
All of these exams are a game to understand what Cisco wants you to know.

>
> On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 12:05 PM, William McCall <william.mccall_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Call the waaaaaambulance.
>>
>> I passed it with the core knowledge section. Many others have too. If you
>> didn't pass because of the core knowledge section, Cisco intended for you
>> to
>> not pass.
>>
>> Play the game or get left out. Petitioning Cisco to dumb down the exam to
>> make people happy isn't going to work. I think the next thing they should
>> do
>> is include the requirement of knowing full PDU structures.
>>
>> For people who failed solely because of core knowledge, I'm sorry. Pick
>> yourselves back up and start again. Moaning and groaning about it just
>> makes
>> you look whiny to people who had to do it. Failure is one of the things
>> that
>> you must learn to accept in life, even if it is at $1400 plus travel and
>> lodging a pop. Just because you paid for the opportunity doesn't mean you
>> earned the cert.
>>
>> An example, when I was going for my CCNP, I failed the ISCW 3 times before
>> I
>> finally passed. On the 4th one, I thought, "I should probably just give up
>> on this and go get my CCIE written," but instead, I went back and took it
>> and finally passed it.
>>
>> If you have some concrete examples (no NDA breaking, please!) of questions
>> that cannot be solved, I will be more than happy to find the answers for
>> you. I will take a maximum of 10 good questions.
>>
>> Ladies and Gents, Cisco does not really want you to fail, but they DO want
>> to have prestige in the CCIE program.
>>
>> --WM
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Darby Weaver <darby.weaver_at_gmail.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>> > Seems like we need a petition to make the point clear.
>> >
>> > Now if some of you guys don't think that some of the OEQ's are fair...
>> I
>> > have to ask the question is repeating "Hearsay" even close the breaking
>> the
>> > NDA?
>> >
>> > Because if I were to show you some questions that I've run across you
>> > might now find them so easy and if the instructors themselves can't find
>> > reasonable answers... in a reasonable time-frame... (Ummm.... Candidates
>> > only get 30 minutes for 4 of these puppies and no use of Google.com
>> btw).
>> >
>> > I've got to ask you? Who are we trying to get to pass the CCIE Lab?
>> >
>> > Disclaimer: See the first batch of OEQ. Straight forward mostly.
>> >
>> > If your questions start asking "Why"...
>> >
>> > You might as well just hand in your lab guide and catch your plane and
>> go
>> > home... Unless you know you nailed them and did not second guess
>> > yourself.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
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>> > Network Engineer
>> >
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>> > darbyweaver_at_yahoo.com
>> >
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