Re: Petition: Revamp or Replace OEQ

why only 4 questions.... its quite unfair. questions should be gone as for
dumpers troubleshooting can do the trick. If these are not gone then at
least should be increased so that a question should not cost 1400 USD which
in many countries is more than few months salary.
just few thoughts....

On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com> wrote:

> Let's not be too far off the beaten path here...
>
> First of all, missing one question is just fine. Missing two will cause
> you to have an expensive lunch. So keep with the accurate program here
> (Maurilio had these details long ago).
>
> Now, I may be part of the minority (and arguable since I don't have to
> take them), but I am in favor of the OEQs. I think the idea is very
> much worthwhile.
>
> Now, I sit back and hear a lot about the quality of the questions from
> people, and see the folks who SHOULD be passing yet are not, which
> indicates a problem. But it's one that's simple to fix as part of a QA
> process from Cisco. (That's not Question/Answer by the way)
>
> If you have QUALITY questions, they can achieve the goal needed, and can
> easily be argued that those who miss them do so based on techincal merit
> rather than some other absurd reason.
>
> Boycotting's an interesting idea, but unless you have some plan to reach
> EVERYONE out there and make a serious impact the quantity of people from
> GS going will merely make it look like a statistical blip.
>
> But if everyone who feels wronged by the OEQs files a certification
> support ticket, it will force the group to review the questions, and any
> anomolies or "bad questions" will be more easily recognized by the "in
> your face"escalation process.
>
> Just my two cents. (As opposed to $1,400)
>
> Scott
>
>
> Darby Weaver wrote:
> > Well we could just say that...
> >
> > However, Cisco is a Marketing Company and is a For-Profit Company and the
> > CCIE Program has become a profit-making venture.
> >
> > I think the term Boycott is a bit stronger and has a little more effect.
> >
> > When the number of CCIE's available for Cisco Partners starts to turn
> > NEGATIVE...
> >
> > Cisco has a choice, either Get Rid of the OEQ...
> >
> > OR...
> >
> > REVAMP the Cisco Partner Program...
> >
> > Maybe there is a 3rd Option... or 4th...
> >
> > But if there are no CCIE's... the CCDE is likely to take a tumble...
> >
> > No CCDE's what happens to the CCA?
> >
> >
> > It's got quite the Domino-Effect...
> >
> > Let's see how many people active on this list care to voice their own
> > opinions...
> >
> > Taking the CCIE Lab and Failing based on "One Question"... is ludicrous
> at
> > best.
> >
> >
> > There are 4 questions. 3 will earn a candidate 21 points...
> >
> > Lose 1 question more and you lose $1400.00 + Travel and Expenses.
> >
> > More in some countries as I understand it.
> >
> >
> > $2000-2500.00 for 1 question?
> >
> > Excuse me but this is ABSURD!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Mark Matters <markccie_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Your email looks like it's missing a few words, confusing.
> >> But I agree. GET RID OF THE OEQ
> >>
> >> On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Darby Weaver <darby.weaver_at_gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Seems like we need a petition to make the point clear.
> >>>
> >>> Now if some of you guys don't think that some of the OEQ's are fair...
> I
> >>> have to ask the question is repeating "Hearsay" even close the breaking
> >>> the
> >>> NDA?
> >>>
> >>> Because if I were to show you some questions that I've run across you
> >>> might now find them so easy and if the instructors themselves can't
> find
> >>> reasonable answers... in a reasonable time-frame... (Ummm....
> Candidates
> >>> only get 30 minutes for 4 of these puppies and no use of Google.com
> btw).
> >>>
> >>> I've got to ask you? Who are we trying to get to pass the CCIE Lab?
> >>>
> >>> Disclaimer: See the first batch of OEQ. Straight forward mostly.
> >>>
> >>> If your questions start asking "Why"...
> >>>
> >>> You might as well just hand in your lab guide and catch your plane and
> go
> >>> home... Unless you know you nailed them and did not second guess
> >>> yourself.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>> Network Engineer
> >>>
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> >>> darbyweaver_at_yahoo.com
> >>>
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