Re: Petition: Revamp or Replace OEQ

This is not moaning and groaning, this is about keeping the CCIE program
what it is supposed to be. "Certifies the skills required of expert-level
network engineers to plan, operate and troubleshoot complex, converged
network infrastructure". Not about obscure OEQ that are not relevant in the
real world. Cisco needs to drop the OEQ. You are one of the lucky ones, be
grateful that you passed. Unless you plan on taking the R&S again then
don't worry about what people are "whining" about. I have been personally
responsible for shoveling millions of dollars Cisco's way. I don't even
need the CCIE. But I do believe it should be a fair exam. I never had the
experience of the two day exam, but would rather use that method than the
current one. I will not waste my time again and neither should anyone else
on the current format. Cisco is a big boy and can admit when they are wrong
and make changes accordingly. Does John Chambers read groupstudy? John
where are you :)

On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 12:05 PM, William McCall <william.mccall_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> Call the waaaaaambulance.
>
> I passed it with the core knowledge section. Many others have too. If you
> didn't pass because of the core knowledge section, Cisco intended for you
> to
> not pass.
>
> Play the game or get left out. Petitioning Cisco to dumb down the exam to
> make people happy isn't going to work. I think the next thing they should
> do
> is include the requirement of knowing full PDU structures.
>
> For people who failed solely because of core knowledge, I'm sorry. Pick
> yourselves back up and start again. Moaning and groaning about it just
> makes
> you look whiny to people who had to do it. Failure is one of the things
> that
> you must learn to accept in life, even if it is at $1400 plus travel and
> lodging a pop. Just because you paid for the opportunity doesn't mean you
> earned the cert.
>
> An example, when I was going for my CCNP, I failed the ISCW 3 times before
> I
> finally passed. On the 4th one, I thought, "I should probably just give up
> on this and go get my CCIE written," but instead, I went back and took it
> and finally passed it.
>
> If you have some concrete examples (no NDA breaking, please!) of questions
> that cannot be solved, I will be more than happy to find the answers for
> you. I will take a maximum of 10 good questions.
>
> Ladies and Gents, Cisco does not really want you to fail, but they DO want
> to have prestige in the CCIE program.
>
> --WM
>
> On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Darby Weaver <darby.weaver_at_gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Seems like we need a petition to make the point clear.
> >
> > Now if some of you guys don't think that some of the OEQ's are fair... I
> > have to ask the question is repeating "Hearsay" even close the breaking
> the
> > NDA?
> >
> > Because if I were to show you some questions that I've run across you
> > might now find them so easy and if the instructors themselves can't find
> > reasonable answers... in a reasonable time-frame... (Ummm.... Candidates
> > only get 30 minutes for 4 of these puppies and no use of Google.com btw).
> >
> > I've got to ask you? Who are we trying to get to pass the CCIE Lab?
> >
> > Disclaimer: See the first batch of OEQ. Straight forward mostly.
> >
> > If your questions start asking "Why"...
> >
> > You might as well just hand in your lab guide and catch your plane and go
> > home... Unless you know you nailed them and did not second guess
> > yourself.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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