Re: CCIE salary in Pakistan

Yes i m from Pakistan

On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 4:42 PM, <itguy.pro_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> Khurram, are you from pakistan?
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> From: Darby Weaver <darby.weaver_at_gmail.com>
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> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 07:36:53
> To: Khurram Noor<engr.khurramnoor_at_googlemail.com>
> Cc: Cisco certification<ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>; Divin Mathew John<
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> Subject: Re: CCIE salary in Pakistan
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> Sorry I got my country mixed up.
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> But still only 73 in one whole country is kind of sparse.
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> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 1:53 AM, Khurram Noor <
> engr.khurramnoor_at_googlemail.com> wrote:
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> > The count of 73 CCIE is for Pakistan, not for India. India has 666 CCIEs
> in
> > a population of 1.07 billion. i like your concept and i believe a few
> more
> > including me would like to work with you if you start this in Pakistan.
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> > On 8/27/09, Darby Weaver <darby.weaver_at_gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> Ok
> >>
> >> By request...
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> >> Since I've had the good fortune to speak to the two people who know
> >> whether
> >> anyone can cheat on the CCIE, what is considered cheating and conversely
> >> what is not (hint: integrity and identification is the key), and finally
> >> how
> >> it all kinda adds up in the longs run...
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> >> If you only got 73 CCIE's in one country the size of India... and can't
> >> find
> >> suitable employment as a CCIE, not to be mean... but I have to ask...
> >>
> >> 1. What does your resume look like?
> >> 2. What does your experience look like.
> >> 3. Cisco is probably not worried about 73 CCIE's taking the CCIE and 3
> >> score
> >> and a little more devalueing the industry... Nope.
> >> 4. Do you get the interview at all?
> >> 5. Do you know Cisco has TAC in India and I'm sure they are hiring
> >> well-qualified job applicants?
> >> 6. Consulting has got to pay... I know sub-CCIE's in the USA doing
> remote
> >> work in India - a few actually... and if they are employed and earning
> USA
> >> Dollars.... at a rate that is attractive to partners (say $100-200+ per
> >> hour) then I have a hard time believing that 73 CCIE's have saturated a
> >> market of millions...
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> >> 7. If you guys are truly having this much trouble - lemme know... maybe
> I
> >> can start a company in India with these CCIE's and service clients
> >> anywhere
> >> else in the USA... Promise you - I can market you and pay you prevailing
> >> wage or better for part-time work or full-time project work...
> >>
> >> By the way - this has all the makings of a genuine offer... for CCIE's
> >> mostly anywhere... FYI - I was able to sell my MCSE for $125 per hour
> on
> >> a
> >> factor of 3... per hour. I'm sure I can manuever a CCIE a few ways to
> >> Sunday and I love the "Sun Does Not Set On My CCIE's Concept". In
> short,
> >> I
> >> should be able to get you paid and keep you paid... even if we gotta go
> >> ghetto...
> >>
> >>
> >> If anyone thinks earning a CCIE does not increase one's know-how in this
> >> world that I live and work in... we need to talk especially if a CCIE
> has
> >> doubts... maybe someone's suffering from premature Alzheimer's... We
> can
> >> fix that.
> >>
> >> No track offers more recognition or deserves it more than the
> >> CCIE. Simple
> >> as that... and that's about the sum of it...
> >>
> >> Not sure how to say more about it.
> >>
> >> Tell ya what at any company where there is a CCIE, where does the buck
> >> stop?
> >>
> >> Case closed.
> >>
> >> Yes, CIO's, Prinicpals, Director's andd others earn more than a CCIE
> does
> >> typically or at least the same...
> >>
> >> Hey... most won't have a certification at all. Some may not even have a
> >> degree... It's just a cookie and it crumbles...
> >>
> >> I've been in the industry for better than a decade and a half in the
> >> private
> >> industry not counting military time and whatever I did there and I
> cannot
> >> explain it either.
> >>
> >> Sure CISSP's and PMP's get paid if they get REALLY LUCKY...
> >>
> >> CCIE's get paid on a bad day with the measles or the mumps... and a
> sawed
> >> off foot.... to ummm... boot.
> >>
> >> Sure there are about thousands of CCIE's.... so don't migrate to
> China....
> >>
> >> However in the USA, we are starving for CCIE's and we lost one from the
> >> monthly totals last month... until H* U* gets time to play catch
> >> up. Then
> >> we break even again...
> >>
> >> But hey 4000-5000+ CCIE's only go so far.
> >>
> >> Let's face it most work for Cisco and how many are trainers?
> >>
> >> Maybe a third or a fourth actually work for employers... and some few
> >> actually perform true consulting...
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> >>
> >> On attaining a second or even third or more CCIE...
> >>
> >> The more I think of this the more I think it is pointless.
> >>
> >> People recognize the CCIE.... and they don't necessarily recognize the
> >> specialization (outside of partners).
> >>
> >> What was the point?
> >>
> >> Yes get trained and yes get the skills and even yes build a lab to get
> >> your
> >> stuff working...
> >>
> >> Wasting valuable time that could be spent earning $$$... no point to
> it.
> >> Do you want to be a consumer all your life or a producer?
> >>
> >> What was the point again?
> >>
> >> Again, you guys got my email - if you need to earn dome ducks... let me
> >> know...
> >>
> >>
> >> Juniper does not excite me so much...
> >>
> >> But Juniper hires.... CCIE's.
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> >> Go figure?
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> >> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Divin Mathew John <
> divinjohn_at_gmail.com
> >> >wrote:
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> >> > "Frankly speaking CCIE is not a dream certification now. It is easy to
> >> > achieve using different materials available on web sites (everybody
> know
> >> > about it)."
> >> > But the Question still remains.. After all the shortcuts to
> >> > certification..is the certificate really worth it? Does it add value
> to
> >> your
> >> > current know-how!
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> >> > Ponder over it for sometime.!
> >> >
> >> > I hope the controversy-NINJA Darby drops in !
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