RE: CCIE salary in Pakistan

Guys...
Then what is the dream certificate for Networking track at this time
???? :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Divin Mathew John
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 10:32 AM
To: Abdul Waheed Ghaffar
Cc: asim.mz_at_gmail.com; riz.iqbal82_at_gmail.com; martin_at_kiefer.dk;
darby.weaver_at_gmail.com; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: CCIE salary in Pakistan

"Frankly speaking CCIE is not a dream certification now. It is easy to
achieve using different materials available on web sites (everybody know
about it)."
But the Question still remains.. After all the shortcuts to
certification..is the certificate really worth it? Does it add value to
your
current know-how!

Ponder over it for sometime.!

I hope the controversy-NINJA Darby drops in !

On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Abdul Waheed Ghaffar <
a_w_ghaffar_at_hotmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Asim,
>
>
>
> My response was based on facts.
>
>
>
> best regards
>
> Abdul Waheed
>
> > Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:13:25 +0500
> > Subject: Re: CCIE salary in Pakistan
> > From: asim.mz_at_gmail.com
> > To: a_w_ghaffar_at_hotmail.com
> > CC: riz.iqbal82_at_gmail.com; martin_at_kiefer.dk; darby.weaver_at_gmail.com;
> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> >
> > Just to add some of my experience, first of all now there is no room
for
> > CCIEs in Pakistan, There are lot who could not get a job or working
on
> same
> > old jobs with same salaries. Secondly I know many ccies who are even
> ready
> > to work for Rs. 70K.(less then 1000$ /m)
> > The things matter now is how much experience one have on vendor side
and
> > second is post CCIE experience.
> > Frankly speaking CCIE is not a dream certification now. It is easy
to
> > achieve using different materials available on web sites (everybody
know
> > about it).
> >
> > Asim
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Abdul Waheed Ghaffar <
> > a_w_ghaffar_at_hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Atif,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I think it depends on the employer requirement but you can earn
> 250-350K
> Rs
> > > plus other benefits like CAR, Fuel allownce, medical etc.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > > Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 01:38:16 +0500
> > > > Subject: Re: CCIE salary in Pakistan
> > > > From: riz.iqbal82_at_gmail.com
> > > > To: martin_at_kiefer.dk
> > > > CC: darby.weaver_at_gmail.com; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > > >
> > > > dear atif,
> > > >
> > > > let me know where are you working these days. than i will let
know
> the
> > > > markete in Pakistan for CCIE.
> > > >
> > > > regards
> > > > rizwan
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 12:58 AM, Martin Kiefer
<martin_at_kiefer.dk>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I think in overall I agreed what you are saying, you just use
a lot
> > > more
> > > > > words than I do :-)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > You just have to remember one thin, having the CCIE number
does not
> > > make
> > > > > you
> > > > > eligible for the 150-200K USD. I know CCNAs that make these
numbers
> > > were
> > > I
> > > > > live. It is all about experience and skills!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Where I live (Denmark, Europe) we have a 3 months "test-time"
when
> you
> > > get
> > > > > employed. This means, if you are one heck of a poker player
and can
> > > beat
> > > > > the
> > > > > 200K limit with this, but has poorly or no skills, you won't
beat
> the
> 3
> > > > > month time-limit :-)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > " I guess the CCIE Candidate could hack around a bit and find
out
> what
> > > one
> > > > > needs to know in advance."
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I would say that, if you have 5 years of experience you should
know
> > > this
> > > by
> > > > > know. Especially if you are working in the networking
industry, you
> > > should
> > > > > after 5 years have made relationships with coworkers CCIEs and
non
> > > CCIEs
> > > > > and
> > > > > have an idea about their salaries.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "I guess it all depends."
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I totally agree, just being a CCIE does not make the money, it
all
> > > depends
> > > > > on skills and experience (I know your line is taken out of
context
> :-)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Nothing is worse than settling for $x and loving the job but
> finding
> > > out
> > > > > your peers or not-quite-peers are better compensated than you
are.
> > > That's
> > > > > frustrating to the max."
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I cannot agree 100% on this one. If you think you got a good
deal
> > > > > negotiating your salary, does it really matter what your
coworkers
> are
> > > paid
> > > > > then?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > You negotiated that deal based on your own experience and
skills,
> if
> > > you
> > > > > then learn your coworkers are paid more, then you have gained
more
> > > > > experience and are ready for the negotiating the following
year,
> and
> if
> > > you
> > > > > at that time can negotiate a better deal, then you have gained
more
> > > skills,
> > > > > and are once again ready for the following year. See, it all
adds
> up
> > > :-)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > /Martin
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Darby Weaver [mailto:darby.weaver_at_gmail.com]
> > > > > Sent: 24. august 2009 21:36
> > > > > To: Martin Kiefer
> > > > > Cc: GS CCIE-Lab
> > > > > Subject: Re: CCIE salary in Pakistan
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Are you sure?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I know of CCIE's in the USA who have settled for 50k, 60k,
(three
> > > different
> > > > > CCIE's in those cases for three different employers).
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I know of CCIE's who work for $100k - $125k pretty regularly
in the
> > > USA.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I've heard of others who beat the $135-200k range.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I know of CCIE's on contract working for $125-175.00 per hour.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I recall a CCIE doing some $10k per day.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > So to say one should know for sure is a little cavalier.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The truth is the rate is negotiable and depends on experience.
That
> > > > > experience may have little or nothing to do with the job and a
lot
> more
> > > to
> > > > > do with Poker or Blackjack than anything else.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Finally, what are you willing to work for in the market given
the
> > > > > conditions
> > > > > as they are presented. What will you do if you land in a
scenario
> you
> > > > > cannot live with and must leave?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Is the CCIE able to undertake risks of self-employment? Or
does the
> > > CCIE
> > > > > need the job-security and certainty of a Fortune 500 company
(which
> may
> > > not
> > > > > be very certain any way).
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I guess it all depends.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I guess the CCIE Candidate could hack around a bit and find
out
> what
> > > one
> > > > > needs to know in advance.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Network with your peers in-person and on-line.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Get a feel for things and get paid.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Nothing is worse than settling for $x and loving the job but
> finding
> > > out
> > > > > your peers or not-quite-peers are better compensated than you
are.
> > > That's
> > > > > frustrating to the max.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Know your market. Market your knowledge.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > HINT: Companies seed resumes to feel out the market.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Maybe you should do the same with companies when you are not
in the
> > > market.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Knowledge is Power.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Martin Kiefer
<martin_at_kiefer.dk>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > The quick answer should be 42.
> > > > >
> > > > > On the other hand, with 5 years of experiance and a CCIE
number,
> you
> > > should
> > > > > now have the experience to know what kind of salary you think
you
> are
> > > > > worth,
> > > > > even in Pakistan.
> > > > >
> > > > > /Martin
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
> Behalf
> > > Of
> > > CC
> > > > > IE
> > > > > Sent: 24. august 2009 09:40
> > > > > To: Cisco certification
> > > > > Subject: CCIE salary in Pakistan
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi
> > > > >
> > > > > Anybody from Pakistan an guide, what is the expected salary
for a
> CCIE
> > > with
> > > > > 5 yrs experience.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards
> > > > > Atif
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
> <http://www.ccie.net/>
> > > > >
> > > > >
>
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