RE: CCIE salary in Pakistan

Dear Asim,

My response was based on facts.

best regards

Abdul Waheed

> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:13:25 +0500
> Subject: Re: CCIE salary in Pakistan
> From: asim.mz_at_gmail.com
> To: a_w_ghaffar_at_hotmail.com
> CC: riz.iqbal82_at_gmail.com; martin_at_kiefer.dk; darby.weaver_at_gmail.com;
ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>
> Just to add some of my experience, first of all now there is no room for
> CCIEs in Pakistan, There are lot who could not get a job or working on same
> old jobs with same salaries. Secondly I know many ccies who are even ready
> to work for Rs. 70K.(less then 1000$ /m)
> The things matter now is how much experience one have on vendor side and
> second is post CCIE experience.
> Frankly speaking CCIE is not a dream certification now. It is easy to
> achieve using different materials available on web sites (everybody know
> about it).
>
> Asim
>
> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Abdul Waheed Ghaffar <
> a_w_ghaffar_at_hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear Atif,
> >
> >
> >
> > I think it depends on the employer requirement but you can earn 250-350K
Rs
> > plus other benefits like CAR, Fuel allownce, medical etc.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > > Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 01:38:16 +0500
> > > Subject: Re: CCIE salary in Pakistan
> > > From: riz.iqbal82_at_gmail.com
> > > To: martin_at_kiefer.dk
> > > CC: darby.weaver_at_gmail.com; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > >
> > > dear atif,
> > >
> > > let me know where are you working these days. than i will let know the
> > > markete in Pakistan for CCIE.
> > >
> > > regards
> > > rizwan
> > >
> > > On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 12:58 AM, Martin Kiefer <martin_at_kiefer.dk>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I think in overall I agreed what you are saying, you just use a lot
> > more
> > > > words than I do :-)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You just have to remember one thin, having the CCIE number does not
> > make
> > > > you
> > > > eligible for the 150-200K USD. I know CCNAs that make these numbers
> > were
> > I
> > > > live. It is all about experience and skills!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Where I live (Denmark, Europe) we have a 3 months "test-time" when
you
> > get
> > > > employed. This means, if you are one heck of a poker player and can
> > beat
> > > > the
> > > > 200K limit with this, but has poorly or no skills, you won't beat the
3
> > > > month time-limit :-)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > " I guess the CCIE Candidate could hack around a bit and find out
what
> > one
> > > > needs to know in advance."
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I would say that, if you have 5 years of experience you should know
> > this
> > by
> > > > know. Especially if you are working in the networking industry, you
> > should
> > > > after 5 years have made relationships with coworkers CCIEs and non
> > CCIEs
> > > > and
> > > > have an idea about their salaries.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "I guess it all depends."
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I totally agree, just being a CCIE does not make the money, it all
> > depends
> > > > on skills and experience (I know your line is taken out of context
:-)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Nothing is worse than settling for $x and loving the job but finding
> > out
> > > > your peers or not-quite-peers are better compensated than you are.
> > That's
> > > > frustrating to the max."
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I cannot agree 100% on this one. If you think you got a good deal
> > > > negotiating your salary, does it really matter what your coworkers
are
> > paid
> > > > then?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You negotiated that deal based on your own experience and skills, if
> > you
> > > > then learn your coworkers are paid more, then you have gained more
> > > > experience and are ready for the negotiating the following year, and
if
> > you
> > > > at that time can negotiate a better deal, then you have gained more
> > skills,
> > > > and are once again ready for the following year. See, it all adds up
> > :-)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > /Martin
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: Darby Weaver [mailto:darby.weaver_at_gmail.com]
> > > > Sent: 24. august 2009 21:36
> > > > To: Martin Kiefer
> > > > Cc: GS CCIE-Lab
> > > > Subject: Re: CCIE salary in Pakistan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Are you sure?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I know of CCIE's in the USA who have settled for 50k, 60k, (three
> > different
> > > > CCIE's in those cases for three different employers).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I know of CCIE's who work for $100k - $125k pretty regularly in the
> > USA.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I've heard of others who beat the $135-200k range.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I know of CCIE's on contract working for $125-175.00 per hour.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I recall a CCIE doing some $10k per day.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > So to say one should know for sure is a little cavalier.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The truth is the rate is negotiable and depends on experience. That
> > > > experience may have little or nothing to do with the job and a lot
more
> > to
> > > > do with Poker or Blackjack than anything else.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Finally, what are you willing to work for in the market given the
> > > > conditions
> > > > as they are presented. What will you do if you land in a scenario you
> > > > cannot live with and must leave?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Is the CCIE able to undertake risks of self-employment? Or does the
> > CCIE
> > > > need the job-security and certainty of a Fortune 500 company (which
may
> > not
> > > > be very certain any way).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I guess it all depends.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I guess the CCIE Candidate could hack around a bit and find out what
> > one
> > > > needs to know in advance.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Network with your peers in-person and on-line.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Get a feel for things and get paid.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Nothing is worse than settling for $x and loving the job but finding
> > out
> > > > your peers or not-quite-peers are better compensated than you are.
> > That's
> > > > frustrating to the max.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Know your market. Market your knowledge.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > HINT: Companies seed resumes to feel out the market.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Maybe you should do the same with companies when you are not in the
> > market.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Knowledge is Power.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Martin Kiefer <martin_at_kiefer.dk>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The quick answer should be 42.
> > > >
> > > > On the other hand, with 5 years of experiance and a CCIE number, you
> > should
> > > > now have the experience to know what kind of salary you think you are
> > > > worth,
> > > > even in Pakistan.
> > > >
> > > > /Martin
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> > Of
> > CC
> > > > IE
> > > > Sent: 24. august 2009 09:40
> > > > To: Cisco certification
> > > > Subject: CCIE salary in Pakistan
> > > >
> > > > Hi
> > > >
> > > > Anybody from Pakistan an guide, what is the expected salary for a
CCIE
> > with
> > > > 5 yrs experience.
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > > Atif
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > >
Received on Tue Aug 25 2009 - 09:12:05 ART