Re: Sob Story

WOW Larry,
You just described my long A$$ weekend. Dusty, Hot, and no AC. No lighting
at all to see. I did get my internet up and running thank goodness.

I forgot the folding chair and TV tray though. I just sat on some cabling
cat 6 boxes. F'd up my back though after 20 hours. had to get a massage
yesterday.

The lab sounds easy now. I guess I will know on the 3rd. :)

Not to be mean here, but suck it up and do the work. I hope you continue the
journey.

Thanks

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Larry Hadrava <larryh_at_ine.com> wrote:

> I prefer the new buildout athmosphere. We've all probably been there - no
> ventilation, no A/C or heat, walls still being sanded so you are breathing
> in the dust or freshly painted walls with the paint stench, no place to
> sit (unless you are experienced at this and bring a folding chair and TV
> tray), no internet access, etc.
>
> You can get the idea. Now the lab doesn't sound quite so bad - does it?
>
>
> Thanks
> --
> Larry Hadrava, Larryh_at_INE.com
> CCIE #12203 (R&amp;S)
> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> http://www.INE.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rick Mur" <rmur_at_ipexpert.com>
> Sent: Tue, August 18, 2009 16:37
> Subject:Re: Sob Story
>
> Haha I agree with Scott. I usually love the environment of a nicely
> chilled, dry and noisy data-center room ;-)
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Rick Mur
> CCIE2 #21946 (R&amp;S / Service Provider)
> Juniper JNCIA-ER &amp; JNCIA-EX
> MCSA:Messaging, MCSE
> Sr. Support Engineer IPexpert, Inc.
> URL: http://www.IPexpert.com
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> On 18 aug 2009, at 21:58, Scott Morris wrote:
>
> > I think it's more along the lines of "in the grand scheme of things,
> > you'll work through much worse"... Or at least many of us have. Look
> > at it, shrug it off, regroup and figure out how to kick ass next time.
> >
> > I was thinking more of eyes dried out from being up for 48-72
> > hours! I
> > usually like the cold air, but that's just me. :)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&amp;S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider)
> > #4713,
> >
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> >
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> > Shaibal Mitra wrote:
> >> Some of you guys sound like ferociously loyal paid agents of
> >> Cisco.LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >>
> >>
> >>> From: rwest_at_zyedge.com
> >>> To: shaibal_mitra_at_hotmail.com; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> >>> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:49:28 -0400
> >>> Subject: RE: Sob Story
> >>>
> >>> If everyone could or would pass the lab, what would the point of
> >>> the test
> >>>
> >> be? I can't comment on your test taking conditions, but I would
> >> have to concur
> >> with Andre and Jojo. Haven't you ever been on a colo floor with a
> >> console
> >> cable hooked up to a device, troubleshooting while the sh*t is
> >> hitting the fan
> >> and your eyes are completely dried out because you're in the cold
> >> inlet,
> >> getting pumped with air? The exam is psychological; your
> >> environment (a small
> >> LCD with a jacked up keyboard in a small cube when you're used to 24"
> >> monitors) and time are all working against you. Why should things
> >> be made
> >> easier now when plenty of people are still able to pass?
> >>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
> >>> Behalf Of
> >>>
> >> Shaibal Mitra
> >>
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 12:10 PM
> >>> To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> >>> Subject: Sob Story
> >>>
> >>> Thought I should share my sob story with fellow sufferers.I passed
> >>> the CCIE
> >>> written in Mar 2007 and then took my first Lab attempt at Sao
> >>> Paulo.All
> >>> through the first attempt the proctor kept on talking over the
> >>> telephone and
> >>>
> >> I
> >>
> >>> was not able to focus.Cisco charges an obscene amount for the Lab
> >>> isnt it
> >>> logical they should provide a Test environment which is quiet and
> >>> necessary
> >>> for a 8 hour battle.Perhaps we should file a PIL so that the
> >>> company wakes
> >>>
> >> up
> >>
> >>> and realises they are not fulfilling their obligations by not
> >>> providing the
> >>> required Lab environment.My experience in my subsequent two
> >>> attempts were
> >>> hardly any different.Ideally there should be sound-proofed
> >>> cubicles for
> >>>
> >> each
> >>
> >>> test-taker and take my word for it ear-plugs and ear-muffs DO NOT
> >>> work.What
> >>>
> >> I
> >>
> >>> found from my subsequent desperate research is even if you use
> >>>
> >> ear-plugs/muffs
> >>
> >>> speech gets conducted through the head bones and of course they
> >>> will not
> >>>
> >> allow
> >>
> >>> you to play music to drown out the speech.
> >>>
> >>> Also when I took the written test there was no rule stating that
> >>> one had to
> >>> take the Lab at least once a year or the written exam would become
> >>> invalid.Again perhaps a PIL...
> >>>
> >>> Very frankly if the correct exam environment is provided and the
> >>> company
> >>>
> >> didnt
> >>
> >>> keep on playing with the exam format/contents etc. there would be
> >>> many more
> >>> CCIEs.Which is obviously why they resort to these nasty
> >>> methods.What is the
> >>> logic of introducing MPLS VPNs when the topic is already covered
> >>> in the
> >>> Service Provider track?
> >>>
> >>> PIL anyone...?
> >>>
> >>> Just in case my language is as convoluted as that of Cisco by PIL
> >>> I mean
> >>> Public Interest Litigation.
> >>>
> >>>
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