Re: CCIE Amnesty?

Thank you Brad. Well said.

-Hammer

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Brad Ellis <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com> wrote:

> This has to be one of the worst threads in a while...it's right up there
> with CCIE Vs. PhD
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Tony Varriale
> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 2:32 PM
> To: 'Cisco certification'
> Subject: RE: CCIE Amnesty?
>
> Imagine what you want. You certainly don't have to believe me.
>
>
>
> Ask Cisco if anyone has ever had their number jacked. If you have a
> REALLY
> good contact I'll even give you names and CCIE numbers so they can
> verify.
> As a side note, this occurred when the CCIE program was separate so I'm
> not
> sure how well they keep records with the merge.
>
>
>
> It's a lot more difficult to people like you and me because we aren't in
> that business and don't need to figure it out.as is with most things.
>
>
>
> I assure you, it's easier than you think.
>
>
>
> tv
>
>
>
> From: Darby Weaver [mailto:ccie.weaver_at_gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 4:15 PM
> To: Tony Varriale
> Cc: Cisco certification
> Subject: Re: CCIE Amnesty?
>
>
>
> I find that hard to imagine since the CCIE has to be the one to initiate
> joining the partner and has to be logged into his/her account and has to
> receive and accept or deny the confirmation email.
>
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 4:45 PM, Tony Varriale
> <tvarriale_at_flamboyaninc.com>
> wrote:
>
> Didn't happen to me, but yes.
>
>
>
> tv
>
> From: Darby Weaver [mailto:ccie.weaver_at_gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 3:40 PM
> To: Tony Varriale
>
> Cc: Cisco certification
>
> Subject: Re: CCIE Amnesty?
>
>
>
> For a Cisco Partner you've never been employed by?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Tony Varriale
> <tvarriale_at_flamboyaninc.com>
> wrote:
>
> Not even close to "impossible". I know multiple people that this
> happened
> to, including a dual CCIE (a dual CCIE before it was cool).
>
> tv
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Darby Weaver
> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 10:18 AM
> To: NN Kumar
> Cc: Cisco League; Cisco certification
> Subject: Re: CCIE Amnesty?
>
> Actually - it is pretty close to impossible for a CCIE's number to be
> used
> without his or her knowledge and consent.
>
> So again, the problem and the punishment fall on the CCIE.
>
> The CCIE cannot plead ignorance. The CCIE agreed to the agreement as a
> part
> of accepting to 1. take the lab 2. agreement with the terms and
> stipulations.
>
> If a CCIE's digits are being used without his or her consent - this
> would be
> interesting since a partner or other person would wither have to be very
> intimate with the CCIE or have totally hacked the CCIE's profile.
>
> Either way the CCIE is an investment.
>
> If a person is so careless to let it simply get stripped in such a
> manner,
> then the CCIE probably is not using it anyway.
>
> CCIE's are not the lowest people on the food chain when it comes to
> intellect and ability to research so....
>
> Most CCIE's would be hard to take advantage of in this manner.
>
> Therefore if one's digits are being used, it would be reasonable to
> safely
> assume the CCIE had knowledge of what had transpired.
>
> And when found out would totally understand the consequences of his or
> her
> actions.
>
> Agreed?
>
> Not many naive CCIE's out there - If there are - how did they pass the
> lab
> anyway...
>
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 10:06 AM, NN Kumar <nagendra.cisco_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Darby,
> >
> > Your point is right when a CCIE is associating his ID with a partner
> whom
> > with he is not working. I agree, the candidate deserves the punishment
> of
> > being stripped with his certificates.
> >
> > But my concern is, If a partner goes for audit in some country showing
> few
> > CCIEs are associated in that country where in real, those CCIEs
> neither
> have
> > work permit for those country nor living in that country, but working
> as
> > part of the company in different country. How will the candiate knows
> that
> > his ID is misused.?.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Nag
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Darby Weaver
> <ccie.weaver_at_gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> >> I am still not sure whether their is any "law" or "legal"
> repurcussion.
> >>
> >> I candidate signs an agreement saying how he or whe will use the
> >> certifciation within specifications as specified by Cisco.
> >>
> >> If the candidate, the ONLY person who can assign his/her own number
> to a
> >> partner, does so... then the partner is not at fault because the CCIE
> was
> an
> >> idiot.
> >>
> >> The CCIE when caught up with either in the current year or in later
> years
> >> as deemed appropriate by Cisco will be stripped of a CCIE and
> probably
> for
> >> life.
> >>
> >> The CCIE and not the parter, has made a conscious decision to DEVALUE
> the
> >> CCIE progam. It is the CCIE who will always suffer the AXE, not the
> >> partner.
> >>
> >> The partner will have to find another CCIE else lose the partnership.
> >>
> >> The CCIE will have to find another certification program to defraud.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 5:33 AM, NN Kumar
> <nagendra.cisco_at_gmail.com>wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I think it is not fair to strip an individual's certificates when
> the
> >>> employer is trying to cheat Cisco. Normally, the company will not
> let
> know
> >>> the individual where his certificate is being associated. In such
> case,
> how
> >>> would any one get to know there is something illegal association
> happening
> >>> with his certificate?.
> >>>
> >>> Is there any cisco mail list where we can confirm if this is legal
> or
> >>> not?.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Darby Weaver
> <ccie.weaver_at_gmail.com>wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I think it is not so much a legal issue.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cisco would probably just strip the person's certifications.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Cisco League <
> >>>> ciscoleague_at_googlemail.com>wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> > What if you are asked to attach your CCO to a country where you
> are
> >>>> not
> >>>> > employed.
> >>>> > Example: You work for a company having offices in countries A,B
> and
> C.
> >>>> The
> >>>> > company has a partner status in country A and B but not C. You
> are
> >>>> employed
> >>>> > in country A but asked to attach your CCO to country C thus
> helping
> >>>> the
> >>>> > company to get partner status in country C. Now where does the
> company
> >>>> and
> >>>> > the candidate stand with respect to legal aspect and possible
> >>>> repercussions
> >>>> > to the candidate if this comes to notice of Cisco.
> >>>> > To my understanding you should be employed in the country where
> your
> >>>> CCIE
> >>>> > numbers is being used to gain partner status.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Darby Weaver
> <ccie.weaver_at_gmail.com>
> >>>> > wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> > > Considering there is a process to become a partner - I don't
> think
> >>>> it is
> >>>> > > easy to become registered with a Partner without one's own
> notice.
> >>>> > Unless
> >>>> > > they have all your usernames, passwords, CSCO Number/Password,
> etc.
> >>>> >
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